Earlier this month, the director of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), Steven Dettelbach, sat with Margaret Brennan on CBS’ Face the Nation to discuss gun violence and gun laws in the United States. In addition to the interview, Director Dettelbach provided a hands-on demonstration with what he dubbed one of ATF’s “leading experts” to educate CBS viewers on threats such as the often dubbed “ghost guns.”

The segment was less about educating and more about advocacy, with Ms. Brennan acting as a willing participant to push the narrative that guns are the problem in America and that stricter gun laws and limits to the Second Amendment are the solutions this country needs. Instead of presenting data backed by legally sound arguments for any of the proposed changes to gun laws or the Second Amendment, Director Dettelbach and his “expert” proved that the federal government has no capacity to manage guns or gun violence.

In fact, it’s debatable if Director Dettelbach, let alone his firearms “expert,” has much experience with guns at all.