“I just want to be clear the president did not intervene,” Giuliani told NBC News Saturday.

The former New York City mayor added that the president was out of the loop on Michael Cohen’s consulting deal with AT&T. The telecom giant paid Cohen, who had served as Trump’s personal lawyer until recently, $600,000 for help with “insights” into the president’s thinking.

“He said he had no knowledge at all of the payment to Cohen,” Giuliani said of the president.