“It was very clear what President Biden wanted … and that is that science was going to rule,” Fauci says. “That we were going to base whatever we do, our recommendations or guidelines … on sound scientific evidence and sound scientific data.”

But there was something else that Biden promised, which Fauci found equally reassuring: “He said, ‘We’re going to make some mistakes along the way. We’re going to stumble a bit. And when that happens, we’re not going to blame anybody. We’re just going to fix it.’ ”

“Boy, was that refreshing,” Fauci says…

“What I think happened is that the [Trump] White House, in general — the president — was looking for people who were saying things that were compatible with what his feeling was about, where he wanted to go,” Fauci says.