In terms of the effect of politics on your own ratings, I know you’ve said‍ if people who disagree with you don’t want to watch, you don’t particularly care. But has that ever been an issue at ABC?

Maybe I shouldn’t have said I don’t care. I don’t care enough to change what I’m doing is probably a more explicit explanation. I’m sure ABC would love it if my show appealed to everyone. But I don’t think that world exists anymore. And I’m not comfortable in it. I don’t really see any other path. I also think one of the biggest mistakes you can make as a performer is trying to guess what your audience wants. I think you need to do what you think is right and hope that it works out.