Ramos, trying to get a more concrete answer, quickly rephrased the question: “Are you ruling out any possibility of running for president in this campaign?”

“No matter how you ask the question, I will give you the same answer. You are as skilled an interviewer as any person…”

Ramos persisted. “I just wanted to know if you want to run for president again.”

“Yet a third way of asking the question. But the answer in the form of that saying—‘I’m a recovering politician’—is really as close to the reality of my situation as I can tell you. I am not giving serious thought to that,” he replied. “I am grateful in some ways that people will ask the question, but I am enjoying what I am doing in my life right now. I am trying to affect the political system in this country and in other countries around the world and I’m enjoying that.”