Van Susteren goaded Santorum a bit noting that Trump “took a swipe at you,” but added that after a while “he chilled out on you.” Santorum then told the story of what happened after that conversation. “I was just stewing about it, and I finally just picked up the phone and called him,” he told Van Susteren, “To his credit, he called me right back.” Santorum then made his case. “I said, ‘Donald, did you ever fail at anything? When you did, did they give you another chance, or did they say, you failed once, you’re done?’” Santorum added that Trump had failed “many times” but “he’s doing pretty well right now.” Trump did respond that he considered it a good point, according to Santorum, but that he was concerned about Santorum talking about social issues too much. “I said, ‘The only reason I talk about social issues on this campaign right now is I talk about the importance of families in our economy, that when families are broken, it’s harder for them to do well economically.’”