It’s no secret that California Governor Gavin Newsom has presidential aspirations. But his shameless attempts to moderate his left-wing image following years of unabashed progressive governance is like a bad Hollywood reboot—nobody’s buying it, and the original wasn’t any good to begin with.

The first installment of Newsom’s new podcast, featuring conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, was the governor’s most transparent attempt yet to seem like a “normal” Democrat. Newsom chummed it up with Kirk, famous for debating liberals on camera, agreeing that President Donald Trump is a “cultural phenomenon,” asking Kirk for campaign advice, and even admitting that his 13-year-old son was a big fan of Kirk’s content.

But the comment that generated the most buzz was Newsom’s statement that it is “deeply unfair” to allow males who identify as transgender to compete in women’s sports.

“Would you say no men in female sports?” Kirk asked the governor.

“I think it’s an issue of fairness,” Newsom responded. “I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness. It’s deeply unfair.”