Former President Trump does not sound like a man ready to abandon Ukraine as some fear. This week, he instead called on Europe to match dollar-for-dollar the amount of aid the U.S. has sent to counter Russian aggression. “I say pay, and they’ll pay too,” he said. “You have to equal it.”

Those remarks come as Trump allies in Congress are balking at a proposal to send more military materiel to Kyiv in exchange for policy changes at the U.S. southern border, and at a time European leaders increasingly fear what a second Trump term might mean for the future of Ukraine and NATO.

“Ukraine is an interesting case,” Trump said Tuesday at a Las Vegas rally. “People always want to know my feeling.”

“Number one, we’re in for $200 billion plus, and the European nations are in for $20 billion, and it’s more important for them,” he continued. “And don’t you think they should equalize?”