State Department spokesperson Ned Price was repeatedly pressed by AP reporter Matt Lee on Thursday over the government’s assertion that Russia is “planning to stage fabricated attacks by Ukrainian military or intelligence forces as a pretext for a further invasion of Ukraine.”

The heated exchange, according to Tucker Carlson, is proof that Price’s credibility is weaker than that of Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist who called the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting that left 26 people dead a “false flag” performed by “crisis actors.”

“Alex Jones lies far less and is far more credible than Ned Price is,” Carlson claimed on his Friday broadcast. “But you see the point: Ned Price lost the exchange. He claimed to have information that he did not have, and Matt Lee persistently called him out on it.”