Penn grimaced, then said maybe he’s simply not being democratic enough in how he thinks about the election because he’s clearly not taking into account “the true interests of my fellow Americans.”

“So many of them truly want to hate each other, want to bottom out their community so they can rise up in it, want to really devastate the rest of the world and maybe get into a civil war,” he said.

If that is what the mass of Americans want, “I’m going to have to consider Trump-Cruz,” he said.

As to his actual ballot, Penn was straightforward.