But even if the legal accusations don’t hold up, Nucatola discusses how she and other providers potentially change the way they perform abortions when they have the needs of the research community in mind. “We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact,” she says in the video.

That has caused some doubts, even among people who support abortion rights. Laurie Zoloth, a professor of medical humanities and bioethics at Northwestern University, told Reuters in an e-mail that while the video was “being used to inflame people about abortion,” it was “terribly disturbing” and “an obvious conflict of interest” that Nucatola seemed concerned about meeting the needs of a company, instead of focusing solely on the safety of the patient.

Erica Grieder, in a column for Texas Monthly, also raised concerns about the potential ethics violation. “When an organization like Planned Parenthood is caught up in controversy, there’s a natural tendency for its supporters, used to such controversies, to circle the wagons,” Grieder wrote. “In this case, I think that mentality would be counterproductive.”