ISIS takes a stranglehold there as Libya is essentially in ruins. No one seems to want to litigate that. They talk about Benghazi, they talk about Iraq. Here is a very real thing that actually happened. The woman who is running actually participated in, and as far as I can tell, is not getting litigated anywhere…

Everything is getting debated in this technical sense, as opposed to this deep reckoning, that amazingly to me in 2016, it seems we still haven’t had about what Iraq meant, what American foreign policy has meant to the region, which is in flames right now. There is no reckoning that seems to be as large as the problems that have been created.