Bill Maher returned to TV Friday night, and kicked things off with journalist Glenn Greenwald to talk about the NSA, and one of the things they addressed was Edward Snowden himself, and Maher admitted that he doesn’t like how every time Snowden speaks, he comes out saying “something completely nuts.”

Maher cited Snowden saying that NSA surveillance was more about social control and almost not at all about terrorism. Greenwald shot back, “What’s nuts is the fact that you think that’s nuts.” He argued that the bulk of what the NSA does “has nothing to do with national security” and said Snowden only speaks that way because he’s not a trained politician with a filter and people constantly whispering in his ear.