Brown said he’d give the president a “C” grade and added that “maybe underestimated the system of government.”

“When Kennedy could not get the civil rights bill passed — and he was the big liberal — Lyndon Johnson came in and it got passed and he was the conservative and the southerner,” Brown told Hall. “So sometimes in politics, to get something done, it takes a special kind of knowledge and a special kind of person bu it doesn’t always follow the party lines.”