Chris Matthews got heated with Republican congressman Steve Perry on Thursday over the current government funding and debt ceiling fights in Washington. Matthews kept shouting at Perry to say at what other time in American history has the opposition party pushed so hard to repeal a law approved by Congress and the Supreme Court, essentially holding the country “hostage”. They went back and forth a bit, until Perry got a little too personal with a barb directed at Matthews, at which point Matthews ended the interview and scolded him.

Matthews barraged Perry to give any kind of precedent for what the Republicans are doing. Perry slammed Obama for the tactic of just bashing Republicans instead of negotiating with them, adding “It’s the same thing you use, Chris.”

Perry went on to argue that prohibition and slavery were repealed, but Matthews shot back, “After it was tried and it failed!” They kept shouting over each other, with Matthews accusing Perry of blatant partisanship and Perry flipping it back on him. At one point while Perry spoke, Matthews just kept going “No, no, no, no, no, no…”