“I think it shows you the contrast in leadership when you have feckless leaders,” Conway said, referring to de Blasio, “or when you have a president, who’s publicly facing every single day, giving people information engagement they need.”

At that point, MacCallum interrupted, saying, “But Kellyanne…” While the host didn’t disagree with Conway’s characterization of de Blasio, MacCallum couldn’t stand by as the Trump counselor erased the weeks and weeks that the president spent downplaying the deadly virus.

“In terms of the things that you’re mentioning, you could probably match up, some of those early statements from him with also similarly optimistic statements from President Trump, although they’ve handled it very differently since then,” MacCallum said, arguably giving the president more credit than he deserves given his recent reversals on the value of social distancing.

“There’s no comparison between the two leaders,” Conway insisted. “There’s no comparison.”