Bill Maher got heated with Michael Moore tonight over what the Democrats’ strategy needs to be in 2020 in order to defeat Donald Trump, even going back to 2008 to rehash Barack Obama‘s election.

Moore acknowledged Maher’s concerns about Democratic promising too much to voters, going back to years and years of policies Maher himself has pushed for and is now seeing blossom across the country.

“Why pull back now, Bill?” Moore asked.

“The country isn’t there,” Maher shot back. “You’re lumping a lot of vague shit together. The country is for raising the minimum wage, of course. The country is not for Medicare for All.”