When Cooper said people tend to think of rape as a violent assault, she said, “I think most people think of rape as being sexy.” As Cooper awkwardly tried to cut in to head to commercial break, she added, “Think of the fantasies.”

This is the latest in a string of odd statements in interviews. In a Friday interview with MSNBC, she said she didn’t want to pursue charges against Trump because, “I would find it disrespectful to the women who are down on the border who are being raped around the clock down there without any protection.” The bizarre implication of that would be that women should hold off on reporting rape until the situation at the border improves.

Carroll has also, at times, tried to downplay the anecdote that Trump attacked her in a dressing room in Bergdorf Goodman in 1995 or 1996, saying Monday on CNN’s New Day, he was “only one of 21 hideous men” she describes in her new book. She’s acted surprised by the attention the story has received, even though Trump is president and this was obviously going to blow up as soon as it became public. If anything, the surprise has been that it hasn’t received more attention.