But Haynes will give Trump her vote again in 2020, on the condition that he “mends his ways” with transgender people. “I expect him to do the right thing—he’s an honorable man,” she said. Haynes believes Trump is surrounded by “confused people” such as Vice President Pence.

Haynes is not alone in looking at Trump as separate from his administration.

“Pence isn’t in the same ballpark as Donald Trump,” said Tonya Rogers, a 52-year-old trans woman from Dallas. “I cannot stand that sack of shit.”

Rogers, who is also an Air Force veteran, is disappointed by the military ban and is still trying to process it.