On Saturday’s The Chris Wallace Show, CNN demonstrated that, in spite of promises of reforming its biases, worthwhile discussions of how to deter mass shootings are still lacking as a panel that actually included two conservatives still failed to point out the link between gun-free zones and mass killings.

After recalling that the Justice Department just released a report critical of the police response to the Uvalde school shooting from 2022, Wallace went to the panel for reaction, leading New York Times reporter Lulu Garcia-Navarro to complain about the U.S. being “awash in guns” and suggesting that nothing would work to make schools safe.

After right-leaning contributor Jonah Goldberg used his allotted time to complain that media coverage leads to copycat attacks and recommended police reforms in places like Uvalde, but still did not mention the evidence that arming teachers works, Kara Swisher jumped in to declare: “The reason is there’s too many guns. That’s really pretty much it.”