JOHN MILLER, CNN CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: Well, what we saw in New York when we had the two nights of looting after the George Floyd protests were very similar, which is we had protesters marching and protesters. The looters came in caravans of cars. They were working in sophisticated communications networks. They had lookouts on scooters. They weren’t there to protest. They were there to steal. They were talking about, we are here to get paid.

In Philadelphia, you see the protests they had yesterday. These weren’t the protesters. These were young kids, teenagers, early 20s. Same thing, caravans of vehicles, a plan to go hit specific stores and get specific goods. They were able to kind of fly under the protest radar maybe as part of it, but that’s according to the police commissioner of Philadelphia, not what they were there for.

HARLOW: OK, I know this is the issue in California. I don’t know if it’s the law in Philly, and they also showed Minneapolis where this has been happening. In California, if it’s under $1,000 worth of goods taken it’s a misdemeanor. And so there are some who argue that by having that law in place, it just doesn’t put a stop to this. Is that the case in all these cities? Is that part of this?

MILLER: Poppy, I think it is. And the litmus test there is where is this happening. And you are seeing this kind of looting happening — I mean shoplifting and organized retail theft happen in places like New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia. If you look at where Target closed nine stores yesterday, four stores in San Francisco, stores in Seattle, stores in Portland, stores in New York, these are places where bail reform laws, criminal justice reforms have taken the inside of a jail cell out of the equation. So shoplifting is a crime where a judge can’t set bail.

Think about this. In New York City there are just over 300 people who have between them 4,000 arrests, 70 percent of them are not in jail, and they account for 30 percent of all shoplifting in New York. This is actually their job. They go out to steal every day, and that has gone up significantly because they know getting put in jail is not in the equation any longer because of the laws that say it’s a no bail offense and D.A.’s policies are they don’t want people in custody for what they call nonviolent crimes. …

The National Retail Federation shows that the part of it covered by theft is actually rising. Interestingly, they did a survey of stores, the Retail Federation, in 22 that said 81 percent of their store associates feel that the people stealing are becoming more violent and aggressive when confronted, and 54 percent of them feel that this bail reform where they have shoplifters telling them there is nothing you can do and I am not going to jail is a factor there. So, is it going up as dramatically as some of the stories portray? If you look at it nationally, that’s a harder statistic to grapple with. But if you look where it’s going up significantly, it’s going up in cities where you have these policies and people realize this is just like shopping without money.