Mike Pence and Tucker Carlson got into it at the Family Leadership Summit in Iowa, where the former Fox News Channel host pressed Pence on how he could be so focused on Ukraine getting more tanks when there are serious problems confronting American cities.

Pence pushed back, and the clear point he tried to make in following up was that he was not concerned about America’s ability to tackle domestic challenges while also leading on the world stage. “Anybody that says we can’t be the leader of the free world and solve our problems at home has a pretty small view of the greatest nation on Earth,” he said.

But that isn’t the part of his remarks that most voters will hear.