California governor Gavin Newsom said in an MSNBC interview rebroadcast Sunday that he watches Fox News obsessively, so much so that his staff have tried to stage interventions on him.

“I don’t want to know what they think, I want to see the patterns, and what you see are patterns that emerge,” argued Newsom when former White House press secretary Jen Psaki asked why he watched the conservative network.

Newsom clarified to Psaki that he watches the network “every night,” not just occasionally. “My staff has quite literally tried to have interventions with me about it,” Newsom explained.