I’ve spent my entire career in New York and Southern California, in environments where fear prevents many from challenging the monoculture. But if there is a place where dissent is more dangerous, it’s Canada.

In this interview, I speak with two successful non-white Canada-based animators and producers who have created content for some of the best-known names in North America. They wish to remain anonymous because they fear their heterodox views might get them fired, ostracized, or charged with a hate crime.

“J” is a male Mexican immigrant, and “E” is a woman of North African heritage. We decided on a written exchange, which allowed them to choose their words carefully.

Below J and E explain the strange world of white-on-white racism, how racial politics hurts all races, and why speaking out about the corruption of art is even more perilous in Canada than in the U.S.