Representative Madeleine Dean, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, told Joy Reid on Thursday that she believes Jordan is “running very, very scared.” She criticized his stumbling over questions about when he spoke with Trump and accused him of being a “serious performer” but not a “serious American” because of his lack of cooperation with the investigation.

“He doesn’t care about democracy,” Dean told Reid. “He doesn’t care what happened on January the 6th and the lies that led up to it that he participated in.”