“No! — Yes!” Pirro said in the same breath, apparently not quite sure how to defend Trump. “We’ve got a pandemic. We have 17 million Americans out of work. We do not need…” Pirro kept on.

“Seventeen million Americans out of work are not going to go back to picking lettuce or go back to the meat packing plant or the poultry processing plant!” Rivera shot back, alluding to studies of “displacement effect” that have found almost no actual impact to native-born workers.

“This is not the refugee landing point!” Pirro said, continued to yell before pivoting to a different talking point. “Look, Geraldo, we can barely afford our taxes now!”