“I believe that we can do it without a lockdown. I really do,” Fauci said earlier this week on “Good Morning America”

Murthy on Sunday said a national lockdown would be “a measure of last resort,” adding that the “way we think about lockdowns” has changed since early in the pandemic in the spring. Murthy, a top advisor on President-elect Biden’s coronavirus task force, said the US should now think of restrictions as “dial that we turn up and down depending on severity.”

“The key here,” Murthy told Fox News host Chris Wallace, “is applying these restrictions judiciously and precisely.”