As Swan explained the creation of Trump’s blacklist for government officials, Alisyn Camerota asked him to elaborate whether Trump is targeting people who were working against his political agenda, or if they were “just people who don’t sufficiently praise the president and are questioning some of the things being done.”

“There’s no way to categorize all of them because they all fit different definitions of the term ‘Never Trump,’” Swan said. “The term has lost all meaning. It gets attributed to people that sometimes have a personal animus against [Trump]. Sometimes they genuinely do oppose the president. But the other striking thing about this: we’re three years into the presidency and many of these people are people that President Trump appointed himself.”