In a Tuesday conversation with Fox & Friends, Napolitano started things off by dismissing Congresswoman Liz Cheney’s (R-WY) claims of impropriety against Nancy Pelosi regarding the house speaker’s advanced knowledge about the Trump-Volodymyr Zelensky memorandum. From there, Steve Doocy asked Napolitano if he thought the Ukraine scandal was a result of “coordination” between Democrats, the intelligence community, and the whistleblower who filed the complaint against Trump.

Napolitano went on from there by dissecting the recent confusion surrounding efforts in recent years to change the rules on whistleblower reports. The president’s allies have used that to try and defend him in recent days, even though Napolitano noted that “Congress rejected” the rule change effort.

Eventually, Ainsley Earhardt asked “What happens with Joe Biden and his son? Are they going to open that up investigation on both of them?” Napolitano answered that even though Rudy Giuliani claims to have evidence against the Bidens, “prosecutors in Ukraine and even prosecutors here in the United States say there’s no there there.”