“Lou,” Cavuto countered, “you think he’s done a good job on reining in spending? I give him high marks on the tax cuts and cutting regulations…”

Dobbs jumped in and said, “You have to work this thing out with the president, Neil, but meanwhile, here the is reality…”

Cavuto shot back, “Fact, fact, do you think this president has done anything to contain the deficits and the debt that had spiraled still from what levels he had from Barack Obama?”

“Uh-huh. I do, indeed,” Dobbs responded.