“The president is sincerely appalled by late-term abortion,” Penny Nance, CEO of Concerned Women for America told Axios. “He means it, it’s real for him, and I’m grateful for that fact.”

Ralph Reed, founder of the Faith & Freedom Coalition, says that Trump told him in 2010 and 2011 — when he was considering running against former President Obama — that he “came to his pro-life convictions” after learning that friends had considered ending their unplanned pregnancies.

They chose not to, Trump told Reed, and instead Trump watched those children grow up “and become stars.” Trump told Reed that their success had “a tremendous impact” on him.