“Those ideas, I think most people would agree on, especially if they don’t know the label that they are attached to, you know?” said Noah after the two discussed the stigma behind the word “socialism.” But at the same time, he said, “how do you pay for these? You always see people coming in with economic arguments, and they say, ‘look, these numbers don’t really add up.'”

Ocasio-Cortez called it an “excellent, excellent question,” and argued that higher taxes on corporations would help generate the funds, as well as getting wealthy individuals to “pay their fair share” and closing financial loopholes. That would generate “two trillion dollars in 10 years,” toward the estimated $3 trillion or $4 trillion it would cost to shift to universal health care, she said. Watch Noah press her further below, via Comedy Central.