Walsh, too, sounded angry—at one point calling Trump a “son of a bitch” before revising the epithet to the somewhat milder “son of a gun.” He expressed dismay that Trump—during his insult-laden March 10 rally in Pennsylvania—called Meet the Press Moderator Chuck Todd a “sleeping son of a bitch”; Walsh generally lamented the president’s frequent attacks on the press as doing potentially lasting damage on an essential institution of American democracy.

Walsh claimed that when it comes to Trump—whose latest embarrassing scandal involves a porn star he’s alleged to have slept with shortly after First Lady Melania Trump gave birth to their son—many of his former House Republican colleagues say privately what Walsh says publicly, but lack the cojones to speak out.

“We both know that Paul Ryan privately can’t stand Donald Trump, but he will never say that publicly,” Walsh said about the speaker of the House. Ryan and his wife, Janna—the parents of three teenagers—“probably have the same conversation that Mike Pence and his wife Karen have every day.”