Donald Trump’s election team could not have colluded with Russia because they were barely talking to each other, according to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and top White House advisor

“They thought we colluded, but we couldn’t even collude with our local offices,” Kushner told congressional interns during a private talk at the Capitol Visitor Center Auditorium on Monday afternoon.

Kusher’s meeting with the interns had been rescheduled from two weeks ago, when he had to appear to give testimony to Congress about the Russia investigation.

A source provided a copy of written notes on Kushner’s talk and question-and-answer session to Foreign Policy.

For investigators attempting to determine whether Trump’s associates knowingly worked with Russia to interfere with the election, a defense claiming chaos and confusion might be the key difference between criminal behavior and incompetence.