During an interview with the “WTF Podcast,” with Marc Maron, Obama complained that gun manufacturers reaped the benefits from shootings, based on the fear that the government would take away their guns.

“Each time that these events occur, ironically, gun manufacturers make out like bandits, partly because of this fear that’s churned up that the federal government and the black helicopters are all coming to get your guns,” he said.

He also joked that the “black helicopters” that feature in conspiracy theories were real.

“There are black helicopters, but we generally don’t deploy them … we deploy them against bin Laden but we generally don’t deploy them on U.S. soil,” he chuckled.