Van Jones, a former adviser to President Obama, served as a moderate voice to Hill’s extreme position. He condemned the riots and looting occurring across Baltimore, saying that while “black lives matter,” “black jobs matter, black businesses matter, and black neighborhoods matter.”

Hill responded, reiterating his position that rioting serves a purpose.

“I think we should be strategic in how we riot,” Hill responded.

He back-pedaled some, adding, “I’m not saying that we should see the destruction of black communities as positive.”

“I’m saying we can’t have too narrow a perception of what the destruction of black communities mean. It seems we have all of our outrage tonight and not the 364 days before tonight.”