The leaders of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are meeting with President Obama in the White House on Friday to talk about the surge of children from their countries fleeing gang violence and fearing for their lives if they return. Carolyn Rose-Avila, who has extensive experience working with these vulnerable populations, says she can predict what these Central American presidents will tell Obama.

“Their argument for the last 15 years has been these [gang members] learned their violent behavior in the U.S.,” Rose-Avila told The Daily Beast. “They weren’t born violent, they didn’t learn that behavior in their home countries. They were not given refugee status, and they were thrust into very violent living situations, and they return as L.A. criminals. They’re going to point that history at Obama.”