Does Jeb Bush sound like a man who wants to run for president? In an extended interview with Fox News’ Shannon Bream, the former Florida governor gave the impression of someone who would like to be president but has been out of the game for a while and isn’t particularly eager to jump in the trenches and fight for it. The only problem is, whoever wins the 2016 Republican nomination — and there will be a field full of candidates in top form — will have to jump in the trenches and fight for it.

Describing the politics of the moment as “pretty crazy,” Bush said he will wait until the end of the year to decide whether to run. “I go about my business each day trying to avoid having to think about it,” he told Bream. “I’ve got a lot of work to do. I’ve got a fulfilled life.”

Bush said he will consider two big questions when he decides. The first will be, “Can a candidate run with a hopeful, optimistic message, hopefully with enough detail to give people a sense that it’s not just words, and not get thrown, not get back into the vortex of the mudfight?” Bush added that he would want to campaign “joyfully,” without being tied to “all the convention of the politics of the here and now.”