JUAN WILLIAMS: I just wanted to pick up on something else that came through to me in that interview and came to me as a surprise. You said you didn’t think it was that interesting interview, George. But I thought this was interesting: I had a sense that I never had before from the president of being defeated. That he felt like, ‘You know what? I can’t really make a big difference in this office.’ He spoke about the stream and being part of a stream in history and you can’t turn things around.

He does say at one point, you know, he says to his staff, ‘we run the biggest organization, the most powerful organization in the world.’ But on the other hand, he speaks as if he’s a man caught in the maws of a larger machine, and he is not able to make a difference. And I thought, boy, that’s not the Obama that I heard of in 2008.