“Everybody admires it. Other men, and especially men who seem to be powerful men, I notice–I’m talking like a dime or nickel psychologist here, if you’ll permit me–will always come up to me and that’s always the thing they say. They admire in me the fact that I’ve been in some battles and I’ve won them.

It’s like I think when William Kennedy Smith gets out of this–if he gets out of this–he will be more respected, more successful. You find out the true measure of a man when he is down in the dumps, and he’s able to rise again.”