Chrissie Mayr still isn't backing down -- not from hecklers, not from the mainstream media, and certainly not from the woke establishment that wants to suppress laughs in favor of "regime comedy" and clapter.

Two years ago, they all came after Mayr. First, she did an extemporaneous riff on Dylan Mulvaney that drew protests by wondering when in his 'girlhood' Dylan might start, well, developing. Mayr then got even more heat for drawing attention to Target's "tuck-friendly" children's swimwear.  

Thanks to @Target I found the perfect swimsuit for creeping out all the women and children at the pool this summer.

Can’t wait to tuck my cock into this little number while sipping a Bud Light! pic.twitter.com/sGD1fc74P9

— Chrissie Mayr🇺🇸 (@ChrissieMayr) May 16, 2023

Did Mayr back down? Hell, no. What comedian would retreat from material like this? Well, some would -- and some have, as Chrissie and I discuss, and she even names a few. Chrissie and I had a great conversation (and I had a blast) as we discussed comedy, free speech, new motherhood, the narcissism of hecklers, and the corrosive effects of regime comedy and 'clapter.'

Even I wasn't spared! And I'm glad I wasn't, because what fun would that be? I wore a similar outfit as the one in the podcast headshot on the screen behind me, and Chrissie zing me right out of the gate:

Chrissie: And I'm so glad that you wore the same outfit as you, as you're wearing in your poster behind you so that I would know it was you.

Ed: This is sort of a trademark these days, right? I mean, maybe I should lean over a little bit.

Chrissie: I imagine that this is like, you know, Steve Jobs and you've just got like 10 copies of that exact outfit lined up.

Chrissie and I discuss quite a bit about the backlash to the Mulvaney jokes, as well as other more mundane heckling. She talked about getting some secondary effects from pepper spray when she was eight months pregnant, and why that didn't quite push her off the road. But she also tells the story of people coming to her shows to support her as well:

Chrissie: I had a show recently, I think it was the Indiana show, where I had a table full of women and they yelled out like, we're TERFs, we're proud TERFs. I was like, yes, thank you. This is great. They gave me a pin that said, like, keep men out of women's sports or something like [that]. ... It's always good when you meet audience members who, you know, are like-minded and you can just everyone kind of exhale sometimes. ...

You watch TV, radio, you look at your phone for long enough, you go, OK, am I the crazy one? Am I in the minority? Do most people really think this way? Are most people using pronouns? And then you put down your phone for a while, you get out and talk to people and you realize, oh, no, it's the other way around. They are very much the minority, but they're the loudest and they're very influential over media and news and all that. So that's what we see a lot of So it's good to remember that most sane people are not down with all this crap and just want to have a good time.

There have always been hecklers in stand-up, but social media has changed the game. Chrissie uses it for the ability to make her interactions go viral, but it also encourages those who want to make themselves the star of the act, too. When I suggest that it's a measure of rising narcissism fed by social media, Chrissie agrees and expands on the thought:

Chrissie: It definitely is narcissism, Ed. They're unable to kind of put themselves in the backseat for a few hours. And it's like what compelled these women to, like, yell out in the middle of the show. It's like, no, no, no. Her feelings on the matter on Dylan Mulvaney were so important. It was so important to her to correct this random other audience member because she knew what was right about Dylan Mulvaney. She couldn't let it stand that somebody was calling Dylan Mulvaney a man because she knew that she was right.

And it was worth interrupting my act, everybody's good time. Like she needed to put herself and what she had to say above everything that was going on. And it really is narcissism.

We discuss regime comedy and clapter after this (but not before Chrissie tells a couple of good heckler stories.) We talk about the pressure to conform, starting at the top of the food chain on late-night TV, and some of the comedians that Chrissie thinks have gone soft because of it:

Chrissie: Regime comedy is such a great way of describing it. And I remember when the whole thing came out with the dancing syringes [Stephen Colbert, CBS Late Night -- Ed], you're like, oh, wait, like how much big pharma money are these shows getting? It's something I never thought about before. And you're like, oh, you know, when you think about comedy shows sucking, you're like, oh, SNL started to suck. They lost a lot of good actors.

And then, you know, you hear abouttheir hiring pools [are] pretty narrow in that they only really hire a certain type of Ivy league person or they're very specifically just from maybe like UCB theater. It's not like they're not cast from like a wide net. It's kind of, um, I don't know if nepotism is the right word, but like, okay, well, they just don't have good writers.

But then you look at the late night shows there, they're also sort creatively stifled because it's like they can't really go there. I mean, they had four years to really make fun of the Biden administration. It's Weekend at Biden! There were so many jokes there to make fun of Biden. Everyone knew that he was not the real president. Everyone knew like this is just a sham, but they they were too afraid to go near it.

There is so much more in the full interview. Originally, we planned to do a half-hour, but the conversation was so good and Chrissie's insights into culture, politics, and entertainment were rich enough that we could have gone for two hours. She doesn't hold back on the current political scene, nor on her second career track as a podcaster. All of the links are below, so be sure to check out the podcasrts and all of her social media links. And also check to see if Chrissie will be coming your way on her current tour, because you never know what she'll say -- and how people will react to it!

• Website: www.chrissiemayr.com
• Podcast: www.chrissiemayr.com/podcast
• YouTube: @ChrissieMayr
• Facebook: @TheChrissieMayr
• Instagram: @ChrissieMayrPod
• X: @ChrissieMayr

Watch the whole interview in this latest episode of The Ed Morrissey Show podcast!

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