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I’m concerned (Obama seems to have all of the charm and authenticity that Gore and Kerry lacked) but I’m not THAT worried. Once the novelty has worn off, Obama is going to have to answer for his lack of experience, his kooky church (Hitchens is all over that already), and his Carter-like view of the world.
Infidoll on January 8, 2008 at 12:06 AM
What do you mean ‘if’?
We conservatives are already in trouble.
rockhauler on January 8, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Maybe at the Republican convention this year our own Obama will appear???
It a long and winding road and the fat lady isn’t even warming up yet. We have not yet begun to fight. It’s not over till it’s over.
(did I forget any)
ronsfi on January 8, 2008 at 12:08 AM
OBAMA = LAMONT.
IF THIS WING OF THE DEM PARTY WAS ANY THREAT THEN LAMONT WOULD BE SENATOR.
KERRY WAS MORE QUALIFIED THAN OBAMA AND KERRY WAS UNFIT FOR COMMAND.
OBAMA HAS NO CHANCE.
I KNOW MANY MANY DEM LEFTIES HERE IN NYC WHO ALL FEEL THAT NEITHER HILLARY OR OBAMA ARE ELECTABLE.
THE ONLY HOPE FOR THE LEFT IS A THIRD PARTY RUN.
WHICH ALSO GOT BJ ELECTED.
AND DONPT TELL ME THAT OBAMA’S CHARISMA IS BETTER THAN LAMONT’S; LAMONT RAN AGAINST MR STIFF: JOEMEMNTUM LIEBERMAN.
THE GOP FRONTRUNNERS WILL MAKE MINCEMEAT OUT OF OBAMA.
These primaries are like first dates: everyone looks good until you get to know them a little better! Wait till Super Tuesday, wait until a few more substantive debates. Obama already stumbled when asked how his pre-emptive strike policy is different from Bush’s (it isn’t). He hemmed and hawed and couldn’t answer. There will be more incoming like that, I’m sure.
Maybe at the Republican convention this year our own Obama will appear???
terryannonline on January 8, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Bobby Jindal?
conservativejack on January 8, 2008 at 1:09 AM
It’s unwise either to misunderestimate him or to misoverestimate him. MKH is darling, but, relatively speaking, she’s a kid.
If Republicans are in trouble, they were already in trouble, though Obama’s rise has further scrambled an already scrambled race on the R side. Still, his political positioning is a lie – that is, his style and his message completely contradict his positioning. The political teeny-boppers kvelling and kheening at his rallies don’t care, but sooner or later the larger electorate will be made aware of what he stands for. Unfortunately for Hillary, she’s running in a party that’s in no mood to triangulate in the Clintonian tradition, but, even if she can’t find a way to expose him without alienating the very voters she needs, the eventual nomination of Obama may still turn out to be typical act of liberal hubris.
No one can say now whether or not he can or will win, and whether or not he really does represent as great a threat to American conservatism as he appears to during this mass orgiastic phase of his political ascent, but he’s far from inevitable, even for the Democratic nomination, much less for the presidency.
Silky and Weepy haven’t really criticized his ideas, because they are all peddling the same nonsense. It’s only when the Republicans start tearing him down instead of each other that people will start to have second thoughts about him.
pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 1:51 AM
infidel on January 8, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Calling MKH a kid “relatively speaking” was shorthand. Sorry if you were offended, but, as smart as she is, I’d find her political judgments easier to accept at face value if she had a few wrinkles and gray hairs, and if she had several elections under her belt.
abinitioadinfinitum on January 8, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Indeed. I’m afraid that in this soundbyte, entitlement, instant gratification, everything all the time, Godless society that we have become, the Cult of Obama will rise. I dont see it burning out. I could be wrong on that.
My bottomline is that the watchword of the election has become…”change” (the word “change” is worth 3 drinks).
The changes spoken of in wide generalizations without clear definition that these people are drawn to like moths to a flame, will lead to results theyre too young, uneducated or perhaps just unwilling to anticipate and/or remember.
While as President, Mr Obama will be dreaming his dream, others will be acting. In that moment, the weaknesses in our society and our culture will not only be exposed, but taken fully advantage of and used against us.
The ground will be taken from beneath our feet.
NickTx on January 8, 2008 at 4:01 AM
The youth vote never turns out. If they are the magic carpet pundits think Obama will ride into the White House, they have another thing coming. When are people gonna learn?
When I watched his speech from Iowa after he won, I got it. He gets the crowd fired up. He has no policy to speak of, but it seems like a lot of people are only looking for “change.” They don’t care about anything else. He has no experience. They don’t care. He sells it, they buy it.
Our side has to stop the infighting. Maybe it will happen after the Huckadive. At least I hope there’s a dive, but I digress.
After the primary we have to forget everything that was said in the heat of the moment about respective nominees. Can it be done? I hope so.
It’s why I haven’t said much about any of these guys, unless it’s Paul or Huck. Then well open season IMO. I know all the negatives each one has. And I find out more every day. That’s okay, I want to know that, but I’m not taking shots because I want to be able to vote for someone in the general without making myself violently sick.
PowWow on January 8, 2008 at 6:11 AM
The DEM machine can’t be happy with Hillary dropping and Obama on the rise. I mean they love having a DEM who will probably win but Obama isn’t part of the machine, he upset their apple cart big time. They view Obama much the same way the GOP machine views Huckabee.
And MKH I like your political opinion just fine even though you don’t have grey hair and wrinkles.
Buzzy on January 8, 2008 at 6:42 AM
The extended political season this cycle will be a big hurdle for him to clear. When the donks’ primaries are effectively moot and if he comes out on top, that’s when the ’splaining will have to begin. Other than voting against the Iraq war, I haven’t a clue what his positions are, and even that may be a tougher sell if the current trends continue.
If goes the typical Dem route, then he’s gonna need $$$ to pay for it. How do the Dems get more money? by raising taxes of course! Further, the guy has seen one national race against Alan Keyes who wasn’t even a resident of Illinois, iirc. I wonder if he realizes just how bright and hot the lights are going to shine?
trubble on January 8, 2008 at 6:51 AM
I’m not worried yet. All you really got to is use McCain/Fiengold to our advantge and set up some 527 commericals with the tagline “Obama-What has he done…really?” Exploit the fact that he has no accomplishments, people should turn around.
But really this may prove my point that human beings are the dumbest animals on the planet too. I can just see the lemmings line up behind this guy in droves because he “makes them feel good.”
It’s a shame one has to say, “I wouldn’t vote for Obama and it’s not because I’m a racist”. I would jump at the thought of voting for General Powell. I would have second thoughts about voting for McCain because I think there are some issues with his being a POW. I’m also a Vietnam combat veteran. No doubt I’d love to see a Vietnam veteran in the White House. I have serious reservations about Obama’s naivite about world issues. General Powell doesn’t. Sidebar, Powell and I were in the same Division, the Americal Division. Yeah, I’ll say it, I’d love to see a level headed Vietnam veteran from the Americal Division in the White House.
John Cunningham on January 8, 2008 at 7:14 AM
OBAMA = LAMONT.
reliapundit on January 8, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Lamont, you big dummy.
-Fred Sanford
Anyway yeah, we’re in trouble anyway. At best we’ll get a few “I will not exploit for political purposes my opponent’s youth and inexperience” lines and hope the kids stay true to form and dont show up in numbers to vote. Which is a really depressing way to go about things.
Dash on January 8, 2008 at 7:46 AM
Seriously people, what’s the worse thing that could happen? We have to put up with him for four years then we would bounce his ass out of the oval office with his head hung in shame. I am hoping that Congress and the Senate have f’ed things up so bad that it swings right in this next election so that if we do get someone like Obama in the office, he’ll basically be useless as a president.
I think we have to get beyond who is going to be president and also focus on the other elections up for grabs as well.
This idea that he has no experience would be easier to sell if the Republicans were putting up someone who had experiences. Even the candidates that I gladly support (Fred, Rudy) and those that I surely vote for in the general (Mitt, McCain), only McCain has relevant experience.
Contrast the Obama and Hillary speeches out of Iowa, and you will see instantly why Obama has so many supporters.
And if the Republicans are blind enough to nominate Huckabee, I will pull the lever for one with no experience over the one with bad experience.
sweeper on January 8, 2008 at 8:00 AM
it’s early, and he can’t sustain this movement.
young people don’t vote. it’s an inconvenience for them.
Da youts put Jesse Ventura in the governor’s office in MN. 25% of those voting for him had never voted in any election before IIRC.
Anyone who can actually motivate that base to go out and pull the lever instead of watching TV or bar hopping that night will have a good election night.
Let’s hope the writer’s strike is over in time for november.
TexasDan on January 8, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Seriously people, what’s the worse thing that could happen?
Um. Liberal court for the rest of my lifetime and yours? Open season on every western target of opportunity abroad and, more than likely, attacks here at home as well? Plus, the 500 pound gorilla of entitlements that will break the economy’s back and then pound it a mudhole from which it could never recover?
TexasDan on January 8, 2008 at 8:35 AM
It’s a long way to November. Crowds are fickle.
Once Jesus was cheered by thousands as the “Son of David.” Several days later they screamed, “Crucify him!”
Calling MKH a kid “relatively speaking” was shorthand. Sorry if you were offended, but, as smart as she is, I’d find her political judgments easier to accept at face value if she had a few wrinkles and gray hairs, and if she had several elections under her belt.
I agree. I know she is the HA darling but I can’t give someone that young and with no life experience much credibility.
Blake on January 8, 2008 at 9:20 AM
Um. Liberal court for the rest of my lifetime and yours? Open season on every western target of opportunity abroad and, more than likely, attacks here at home as well? Plus, the 500 pound gorilla of entitlements that will break the economy’s back and then pound it a mudhole from which it could never recover?
TexasDan on January 8, 2008 at 8:35 AM
The liberal court problem is going to change right away if a Republican president gets elected? That’s a long term thing. And be honest, we get attacked once under a democratic president what’s going to happen, he’s going to have to do somethign because the people will demand it. Not to mention it will wake people up to the real threat, can’t balme that one on Bush now can they? Plus, it might also be the kick in the ass the conservative movement needs. We’re tough, we’re resiliant. We’ve survived Democratic presidents before and we can do it again.
Yep, if this trend continues we are in big trouble. I have been talking to people at work, independants and even moderate republicans, and they are making noises like they want to vote for this guy. This has just happened in the last few days and it scares the hell out of me.
I think our only hope is that the vaunted Clinton Machine will pull something out and bury this guy somehow. If not I am afraid we are all doomed!
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I like the ‘fired up / ready to go’ chant.
ThackerAgency on January 7, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Yep.
Christoph on January 7, 2008 at 11:43 PM
We’re dead.
liberrocky on January 7, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Actually our only hope is that he peaks too early.
liberrocky on January 7, 2008 at 11:47 PM
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: We need Hillary.
amerpundit on January 7, 2008 at 11:49 PM
All style no substance.
infidel on January 7, 2008 at 11:51 PM
I’m concerned (Obama seems to have all of the charm and authenticity that Gore and Kerry lacked) but I’m not THAT worried. Once the novelty has worn off, Obama is going to have to answer for his lack of experience, his kooky church (Hitchens is all over that already), and his Carter-like view of the world.
Infidoll on January 8, 2008 at 12:06 AM
What do you mean ‘if’?
We conservatives are already in trouble.
rockhauler on January 8, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Maybe at the Republican convention this year our own Obama will appear???
terryannonline on January 8, 2008 at 12:07 AM
It a long and winding road and the fat lady isn’t even warming up yet. We have not yet begun to fight. It’s not over till it’s over.
(did I forget any)
ronsfi on January 8, 2008 at 12:08 AM
OBAMA = LAMONT.
IF THIS WING OF THE DEM PARTY WAS ANY THREAT THEN LAMONT WOULD BE SENATOR.
KERRY WAS MORE QUALIFIED THAN OBAMA AND KERRY WAS UNFIT FOR COMMAND.
OBAMA HAS NO CHANCE.
I KNOW MANY MANY DEM LEFTIES HERE IN NYC WHO ALL FEEL THAT NEITHER HILLARY OR OBAMA ARE ELECTABLE.
THE ONLY HOPE FOR THE LEFT IS A THIRD PARTY RUN.
WHICH ALSO GOT BJ ELECTED.
AND DONPT TELL ME THAT OBAMA’S CHARISMA IS BETTER THAN LAMONT’S; LAMONT RAN AGAINST MR STIFF: JOEMEMNTUM LIEBERMAN.
THE GOP FRONTRUNNERS WILL MAKE MINCEMEAT OUT OF OBAMA.
YEAH!
reliapundit on January 8, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Hillary was the best, maybe the only, thing that Republicans had going for them in 2008 and now – She’s melting, She’s melting, She’s melting!!!
All good conservatives in NH who can cross over should do so to save her.
That may be our only hope.
MB4 on January 8, 2008 at 12:21 AM
With all due respect, please remove your caps lock.
infidel on January 8, 2008 at 12:21 AM
GLAD I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH A BROKEN CAPS LOCK!
BlackCapitalist on January 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM
SECOND LOOK AT CAPS LOCK!
third look at caps lock!
Purple Fury on January 8, 2008 at 12:32 AM
It’s a scary thought of Obama getting elected, if it should happen you can count on an Americanastan coming to a reality near you.
abinitioadinfinitum on January 8, 2008 at 12:41 AM
It’s too early to be scared!
These primaries are like first dates: everyone looks good until you get to know them a little better! Wait till Super Tuesday, wait until a few more substantive debates. Obama already stumbled when asked how his pre-emptive strike policy is different from Bush’s (it isn’t). He hemmed and hawed and couldn’t answer. There will be more incoming like that, I’m sure.
PattyJ on January 8, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Bobby Jindal?
conservativejack on January 8, 2008 at 1:09 AM
It’s unwise either to misunderestimate him or to misoverestimate him. MKH is darling, but, relatively speaking, she’s a kid.
If Republicans are in trouble, they were already in trouble, though Obama’s rise has further scrambled an already scrambled race on the R side. Still, his political positioning is a lie – that is, his style and his message completely contradict his positioning. The political teeny-boppers kvelling and kheening at his rallies don’t care, but sooner or later the larger electorate will be made aware of what he stands for. Unfortunately for Hillary, she’s running in a party that’s in no mood to triangulate in the Clintonian tradition, but, even if she can’t find a way to expose him without alienating the very voters she needs, the eventual nomination of Obama may still turn out to be typical act of liberal hubris.
No one can say now whether or not he can or will win, and whether or not he really does represent as great a threat to American conservatism as he appears to during this mass orgiastic phase of his political ascent, but he’s far from inevitable, even for the Democratic nomination, much less for the presidency.
CK MacLeod on January 8, 2008 at 1:39 AM
Calling MKH a kid does not help make your point.
infidel on January 8, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Silky and Weepy haven’t really criticized his ideas, because they are all peddling the same nonsense. It’s only when the Republicans start tearing him down instead of each other that people will start to have second thoughts about him.
pedestrian on January 8, 2008 at 1:51 AM
Calling MKH a kid “relatively speaking” was shorthand. Sorry if you were offended, but, as smart as she is, I’d find her political judgments easier to accept at face value if she had a few wrinkles and gray hairs, and if she had several elections under her belt.
Thanks for putting the thought more economically.
CK MacLeod on January 8, 2008 at 2:07 AM
I’ve thought the same thing myself.
Patriot33 on January 8, 2008 at 3:17 AM
Indeed. I’m afraid that in this soundbyte, entitlement, instant gratification, everything all the time, Godless society that we have become, the Cult of Obama will rise. I dont see it burning out. I could be wrong on that.
My bottomline is that the watchword of the election has become…”change” (the word “change” is worth 3 drinks).
The changes spoken of in wide generalizations without clear definition that these people are drawn to like moths to a flame, will lead to results theyre too young, uneducated or perhaps just unwilling to anticipate and/or remember.
While as President, Mr Obama will be dreaming his dream, others will be acting. In that moment, the weaknesses in our society and our culture will not only be exposed, but taken fully advantage of and used against us.
The ground will be taken from beneath our feet.
NickTx on January 8, 2008 at 4:01 AM
The youth vote never turns out. If they are the magic carpet pundits think Obama will ride into the White House, they have another thing coming. When are people gonna learn?
amkun on January 8, 2008 at 5:02 AM
The youth turned out in Iowa for Barry O.
Valiant on January 8, 2008 at 5:45 AM
When I watched his speech from Iowa after he won, I got it. He gets the crowd fired up. He has no policy to speak of, but it seems like a lot of people are only looking for “change.” They don’t care about anything else. He has no experience. They don’t care. He sells it, they buy it.
Our side has to stop the infighting. Maybe it will happen after the Huckadive. At least I hope there’s a dive, but I digress.
After the primary we have to forget everything that was said in the heat of the moment about respective nominees. Can it be done? I hope so.
It’s why I haven’t said much about any of these guys, unless it’s Paul or Huck. Then well open season IMO. I know all the negatives each one has. And I find out more every day. That’s okay, I want to know that, but I’m not taking shots because I want to be able to vote for someone in the general without making myself violently sick.
PowWow on January 8, 2008 at 6:11 AM
The DEM machine can’t be happy with Hillary dropping and Obama on the rise. I mean they love having a DEM who will probably win but Obama isn’t part of the machine, he upset their apple cart big time. They view Obama much the same way the GOP machine views Huckabee.
And MKH I like your political opinion just fine even though you don’t have grey hair and wrinkles.
Buzzy on January 8, 2008 at 6:42 AM
The extended political season this cycle will be a big hurdle for him to clear. When the donks’ primaries are effectively moot and if he comes out on top, that’s when the ’splaining will have to begin. Other than voting against the Iraq war, I haven’t a clue what his positions are, and even that may be a tougher sell if the current trends continue.
If goes the typical Dem route, then he’s gonna need $$$ to pay for it. How do the Dems get more money? by raising taxes of course! Further, the guy has seen one national race against Alan Keyes who wasn’t even a resident of Illinois, iirc. I wonder if he realizes just how bright and hot the lights are going to shine?
trubble on January 8, 2008 at 6:51 AM
I’m not worried yet. All you really got to is use McCain/Fiengold to our advantge and set up some 527 commericals with the tagline “Obama-What has he done…really?” Exploit the fact that he has no accomplishments, people should turn around.
But really this may prove my point that human beings are the dumbest animals on the planet too. I can just see the lemmings line up behind this guy in droves because he “makes them feel good.”
as if feeling good is all that matters.
Pcoop on January 8, 2008 at 6:59 AM
It’s a shame one has to say, “I wouldn’t vote for Obama and it’s not because I’m a racist”. I would jump at the thought of voting for General Powell. I would have second thoughts about voting for McCain because I think there are some issues with his being a POW. I’m also a Vietnam combat veteran. No doubt I’d love to see a Vietnam veteran in the White House. I have serious reservations about Obama’s naivite about world issues. General Powell doesn’t. Sidebar, Powell and I were in the same Division, the Americal Division. Yeah, I’ll say it, I’d love to see a level headed Vietnam veteran from the Americal Division in the White House.
John Cunningham on January 8, 2008 at 7:14 AM
Lamont, you big dummy.
-Fred Sanford
Anyway yeah, we’re in trouble anyway. At best we’ll get a few “I will not exploit for political purposes my opponent’s youth and inexperience” lines and hope the kids stay true to form and dont show up in numbers to vote. Which is a really depressing way to go about things.
Dash on January 8, 2008 at 7:46 AM
Seriously people, what’s the worse thing that could happen? We have to put up with him for four years then we would bounce his ass out of the oval office with his head hung in shame. I am hoping that Congress and the Senate have f’ed things up so bad that it swings right in this next election so that if we do get someone like Obama in the office, he’ll basically be useless as a president.
I think we have to get beyond who is going to be president and also focus on the other elections up for grabs as well.
It sounds logical to me.
Pcoop on January 8, 2008 at 7:48 AM
This idea that he has no experience would be easier to sell if the Republicans were putting up someone who had experiences. Even the candidates that I gladly support (Fred, Rudy) and those that I surely vote for in the general (Mitt, McCain), only McCain has relevant experience.
Contrast the Obama and Hillary speeches out of Iowa, and you will see instantly why Obama has so many supporters.
And if the Republicans are blind enough to nominate Huckabee, I will pull the lever for one with no experience over the one with bad experience.
sweeper on January 8, 2008 at 8:00 AM
it’s early, and he can’t sustain this movement.
young people don’t vote. it’s an inconvenience for them.
madmonkphotog on January 8, 2008 at 8:23 AM
Obama is a civil rights attorney, the kind that believes the ACLU is the holy grail, thats vulnerable.
Speakup on January 8, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Da youts put Jesse Ventura in the governor’s office in MN. 25% of those voting for him had never voted in any election before IIRC.
Anyone who can actually motivate that base to go out and pull the lever instead of watching TV or bar hopping that night will have a good election night.
Let’s hope the writer’s strike is over in time for november.
TexasDan on January 8, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Um. Liberal court for the rest of my lifetime and yours? Open season on every western target of opportunity abroad and, more than likely, attacks here at home as well? Plus, the 500 pound gorilla of entitlements that will break the economy’s back and then pound it a mudhole from which it could never recover?
TexasDan on January 8, 2008 at 8:35 AM
It’s a long way to November. Crowds are fickle.
Once Jesus was cheered by thousands as the “Son of David.” Several days later they screamed, “Crucify him!”
jgapinoy on January 8, 2008 at 9:03 AM
I agree. I know she is the HA darling but I can’t give someone that young and with no life experience much credibility.
Blake on January 8, 2008 at 9:20 AM
The liberal court problem is going to change right away if a Republican president gets elected? That’s a long term thing. And be honest, we get attacked once under a democratic president what’s going to happen, he’s going to have to do somethign because the people will demand it. Not to mention it will wake people up to the real threat, can’t balme that one on Bush now can they? Plus, it might also be the kick in the ass the conservative movement needs. We’re tough, we’re resiliant. We’ve survived Democratic presidents before and we can do it again.
Pcoop on January 8, 2008 at 9:39 AM
Yep, if this trend continues we are in big trouble. I have been talking to people at work, independants and even moderate republicans, and they are making noises like they want to vote for this guy. This has just happened in the last few days and it scares the hell out of me.
I think our only hope is that the vaunted Clinton Machine will pull something out and bury this guy somehow. If not I am afraid we are all doomed!
conservnut on January 8, 2008 at 10:04 AM