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Has Ron Paul had ANYTHING AT ALL NEW TO SAY in any debate? You heard him once you heard it all.
Eliminate the IRS. Eliminate all government programs. Bring the troops home. Cut all foreign aid. Return to isolationism.
Thats about it. On ANY SUBJECT. When tney ask him a question ALL OF US at home can just fill in what he’s gonna say before he says it.
He just wastes everyone’s time. We need more dialog between the candidates, more elaboration from all on what they would do as President. We already know Paul’s agenda: bring the troops home and abolish the IRS.
I say Fox is right to limit the debate.
Always Right on January 5, 2008 at 1:34 PM
So Ron Paul is being excluded. Big deal.
Would it be a ‘big deal’ if Ron Paul won in New Hampshire? What would that do to the credibility of Fox News if they excluded the winner of the primary from their only debate?
And I don’t understand why Rudy gets to fly in from Florida and lisp his way into his campaign speech of ‘NH doesn’t matter, wait ’til Florida’.
At least have candidates who are trying to win the particular contest that is being held. To exclude Ron Paul in this contest is simply wrong, and it will probably work to Ron Paul’s advantage. This is the best way to ensure a Ron Paul 3rd party candidacy.
If he really is third and it’s not the paulbots up to their tricks with auto-dailers and attacking online polls then Fox better have a good reason for it like the GOP kicking him out (which they should do).
Fox News said they only have 5 seats in their small studio, they are being realistic with their choices. The only person that they could leave out other then Paul is Fred but he still polls rather well in national polls and unlike paul his unfavorabilty rating is not higher then any one else in the race even in NH. Paul supporters like him, but not many other republicans. And if they include Paul the NH GOP said that they also have to include Duncan Hunter.
Complete7 on January 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Complete, I disagree with how you choose candidates. There has already been a presidential winnowing process. If you want to only pick 5 of them, you should use the results of that previous contest. If you can’t finish in the top 5, you don’t deserve a place on the stage if there are only 5 spots.
Why does an anti-gun, pro-choice, pro gay marriage candidate who finished 6th in a contest he was leading earlier in the year get a place on this stage and not Ron Paul – who got 11% of the vote and appeals to independents? Guiliani by his own admission isn’t campaigning in this state. This is establishment bias and why the R party should lose in my opinion (they don’t get it).
as long as paul is using the far-left, not democrat, but far-left kook/moveon.org/michael moore talking points on Foreign policy and tying every single issue to it and basically trying to destroy the republican party, conservatism and pave the way for National Socialism, which is what he’s doing….then good riddance. Problem is they waited way too late, now he has some supporters, so he needs to be exposed first.
jp on January 5, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Why does an anti-gun, pro-choice, pro gay marriage candidate who finished 6th in a contest he was leading earlier in the year get a place on this stage and not Ron Paul – who got 11% of the vote and appeals to independents? Guiliani by his own admission isn’t campaigning in this state. This is establishment bias and why the R party should lose in my opinion (they don’t get it).
But Rudy still leads on average in national polls. You can’t exclude Rudy the national front runner, no matter how much he is campaigning in NH. And don’t you think the NH GOP would protest Rudy’s exclusion even more and other candidates would have cared to protest it also. Fox is calling this a presidential forum not a debate and remember there is a debate tonight on ABC with Paul included. Fox News is just winnowing down the weakest of the top six candidates for a serious presidential discussion. There is no doubt that Ron Paul has the least chance of winning the nomination of those six. This is not establishment bias its just Fox News attempting to have a conversation where then candidates will get more the 20 seconds to speak.
Complete7 on January 5, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Forget Iowa, forget New Hampshire, and forget Ron Paul. It’s a NATIONAL election with (after wyoming) 47 more states to chime in. You gotta take the players seriously and not the flakes.
Blowback
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Current NH Rasmussen poll
Rasmussen 1/4/2008
McCain 31%
Romney 26%
Paul 14%
Huckabee 11%
Giuliani 8%
Thompson 5%
William Amos on January 5, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Hey…there was a headline link to the Rasmussen poll. What happened to it?
flipflop on January 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Dunno but I cant seem to access Rasmussens site right now
William Amos on January 5, 2008 at 1:12 PM
So Ron Paul is being excluded. Big deal.
Has Ron Paul had ANYTHING AT ALL NEW TO SAY in any debate? You heard him once you heard it all.
Eliminate the IRS. Eliminate all government programs. Bring the troops home. Cut all foreign aid. Return to isolationism.
Thats about it. On ANY SUBJECT. When tney ask him a question ALL OF US at home can just fill in what he’s gonna say before he says it.
He just wastes everyone’s time. We need more dialog between the candidates, more elaboration from all on what they would do as President. We already know Paul’s agenda: bring the troops home and abolish the IRS.
I say Fox is right to limit the debate.
Always Right on January 5, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Would it be a ‘big deal’ if Ron Paul won in New Hampshire? What would that do to the credibility of Fox News if they excluded the winner of the primary from their only debate?
And I don’t understand why Rudy gets to fly in from Florida and lisp his way into his campaign speech of ‘NH doesn’t matter, wait ’til Florida’.
At least have candidates who are trying to win the particular contest that is being held. To exclude Ron Paul in this contest is simply wrong, and it will probably work to Ron Paul’s advantage. This is the best way to ensure a Ron Paul 3rd party candidacy.
ThackerAgency on January 5, 2008 at 1:39 PM
If he really is third and it’s not the paulbots up to their tricks with auto-dailers and attacking online polls then Fox better have a good reason for it like the GOP kicking him out (which they should do).
MirCat on January 5, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Current Zogby NH Poll:
McCain 32%
Romney 30%
Huckabee 12%
Giuliani 9%
Paul 7%
Thompson 3%
Fox News said they only have 5 seats in their small studio, they are being realistic with their choices. The only person that they could leave out other then Paul is Fred but he still polls rather well in national polls and unlike paul his unfavorabilty rating is not higher then any one else in the race even in NH. Paul supporters like him, but not many other republicans. And if they include Paul the NH GOP said that they also have to include Duncan Hunter.
Complete7 on January 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Complete, I disagree with how you choose candidates. There has already been a presidential winnowing process. If you want to only pick 5 of them, you should use the results of that previous contest. If you can’t finish in the top 5, you don’t deserve a place on the stage if there are only 5 spots.
Why does an anti-gun, pro-choice, pro gay marriage candidate who finished 6th in a contest he was leading earlier in the year get a place on this stage and not Ron Paul – who got 11% of the vote and appeals to independents? Guiliani by his own admission isn’t campaigning in this state. This is establishment bias and why the R party should lose in my opinion (they don’t get it).
ThackerAgency on January 5, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Boy if that is true, good for them.
Spirit of 1776 on January 5, 2008 at 3:01 PM
as long as paul is using the far-left, not democrat, but far-left kook/moveon.org/michael moore talking points on Foreign policy and tying every single issue to it and basically trying to destroy the republican party, conservatism and pave the way for National Socialism, which is what he’s doing….then good riddance. Problem is they waited way too late, now he has some supporters, so he needs to be exposed first.
jp on January 5, 2008 at 3:06 PM
But Rudy still leads on average in national polls. You can’t exclude Rudy the national front runner, no matter how much he is campaigning in NH. And don’t you think the NH GOP would protest Rudy’s exclusion even more and other candidates would have cared to protest it also. Fox is calling this a presidential forum not a debate and remember there is a debate tonight on ABC with Paul included. Fox News is just winnowing down the weakest of the top six candidates for a serious presidential discussion. There is no doubt that Ron Paul has the least chance of winning the nomination of those six. This is not establishment bias its just Fox News attempting to have a conversation where then candidates will get more the 20 seconds to speak.
Complete7 on January 5, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Forget Iowa, forget New Hampshire, and forget Ron Paul. It’s a NATIONAL election with (after wyoming) 47 more states to chime in. You gotta take the players seriously and not the flakes.
Tim Zank on January 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM