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The Ohio plumber, whose real name is Samuel Wurzelbacher,
Why does every article feel the need to include this?
I’ve never seen them have an issue with people going by their middle name before.
JadeNYU on October 28, 2008 at 2:32 PM
WurzelbacherJoe The Plumber was scheduled to make stops in Dayton, Middletown, Milford and Cincinnati. The bus tour included guests billed as Mary the Flag Lady, Mike the Painter and Linda the Fitness Trainer.
That’s from the sidebar. Gotta love Obama hitting up the tough venues to close the deal with the American people.
BadgerHawk on October 28, 2008 at 2:33 PM
The Ohio plumber, whose real name is Samuel Wurzelbacher,
…. but don’t you dare call Barry Oabama by his middle name ….. Hussein. Because then you would be a hate mongering racist. Like that phony Samuel Wurzelbacher.\
Wurzelbacher himself has undercut the Republican message about him by revealing he makes far less than $250,000 a year.
Really? He hurts the GOP message because he’s NOT a rich white guy? Seems to me the fact that he’s striving for the American dream and is worried that Obama wants to punish him if he gets there is about as good a message as the GOP could get.
BadgerHawk on October 28, 2008 at 2:35 PM
OT (even though I love Joe):
This was a comment on Hillbuzz…wonder how legit it is? At any rate, it is what we have been saying so no loss either way. Check it out.
This is how they do it. From a comment at hillbuzz early today.
October 27, 2008 at 5:04 am
Ok, I want to clear my conscious a little. Hopefully you could make a blog post to help some fellow clinton supporters out.
I work for a campaign and can’t wait for this week to be over.
I was doing it for a job. I was not a fan of any candidate but over time grew to love HRC.
The internal campaign idea is to twist, distort, humiliate and finally dispirit you.
We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”
We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.
We did this the whole primary and it worked.
Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc.
This surprisingly has had a huge suppressing movement and vote turnout issues.
Next, we infiltrate all the blogs and all the youtube videos and overwhelm the voting, the comments, etc. All to continue this appearance of overwhelming world support.
People makes posts to the effect that the world has “gone mad”
Thats the intention. To make you feel stressed and crazy and feel like the world is ending.
We have also had quite a hand in skewing many many polls, some we couldn’t control as much as we would have liked. But many we have spoiled over. Just enough to make real clear politics look scarey to a mccain supporter. Its worked, alough the goal was to appear 13-15 points ahead.
see, the results have been working. People tend to support a winner, go with the flow, become “sheeple”
The polls are roughly 3-5 points in favor of Barack. Thats due to our inflation of the polls and pulling in the sheeple.
Our donors, are the same people who finance the MSM. Their interests are tied, Barack then tends to come across as teflon. Nothing sticks. And trust, there were meetings with Fox news. The goal was to blunt them as much as possible. Watch Bill Oreilly he has become much more diplomatic and “fair and balanced” and soft. Its because he wants to retain the #1 spot on cable news and to do that he has to have access to the Obama campaign and we worked hard at stringing him a long and keeping him soft for an interview swap. It worked and now he is anticipating more access. So he is playing it still soft.
This is why nothing sticks.
The operation is massive, the goal is to paint a picture that is that of a winner, regardless of the results.
There is no true inauguration draft or true grant park construction going on. There will be a party, but we are boasting beyond the truth to make it seem like the election is wrapped up.
Our goal is to continue to make you lose your moral. We worked hard at persuasion and paying off and timing and playing the right political numbers to get key republican endorsements to make it seem even more like it was over and the world was coming to an end for you all.
There is a huge staff of people working around the clock, watching every site, blogs, etc. We flood these sites. We have had a goal to overwhelm.
The truth is here. I could go on and on, but you get the picture.
I am saying this because I know HRC was better for the country, and now realize this. I was too late by the time I connected to her. To me Barack was just a cool young dude that seemed like a star. I didn’t know him or his policies, but now I understand more than I care to and I realize his interests are more for him, and the DNC and all working like puppets with dean. I always thought a president wanted the better good for the country. The end result I see is everyone dependent on the government, this means more and more people voting for the DNC. This means the future is forever altered. I don’t see this as america, so I am now supporting John Mccain.
Sarah Palin is a huge threat, and our campaign has feared her like you can’t imagine. If it seems unfair how she has been treated, well its because she has had a team working round the clock to make her look like a fool.
this is a big conspiracy and I am so shocked that its not realized.
We released a little blurb the other day that the Obama campaign was already working on reelection and now putting our efforts towards 2012. This was to make it seem like it was above us to continue caring about 2008. Trust me, its a lie. David is very smart, but its a sticky ugly not very truthful kind of intelligence.
Its not over yet, but I think the machine is working. And its a hill to climb.
I will be quitting my post on nov 5th and my vote will be for John Mccain. Fortunately, my position has been a marketing position and I don’t feel I had any part of anything I would feel guilty for. But I look forward to getting out of this as the negativity and environment upsets me.
I wish you all well, and goodluck.
PS my name is not really sarah. but I am a female and I understand your plight.
Mommypundit on October 28, 2008 at 2:35 PM
The Ohio plumber, whose real name is Samuel Wurzelbacher,
Why does every article feel the need to include this?
I’ve never seen them have an issue with people going by their middle name before.
JadeNYU on October 28, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Why don’t they say Barack Obama, whose real name is Barack Hussein Obama…
Anyway, Joe the plumber is the second best thing to happen to McCain’s campaign (first is Palin). He tells it like it is and is not subdued about it. I am glad he is campaigning for McCain.
I see McCain continues to surround himself with foreign policy experts.
Tom_Shipley on October 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM
The Ohio plumber, whose real name is Samuel Wurzelbacher,
Why does every article feel the need to include this?
I’ve never seen them have an issue with people going by their middle name before.
JadeNYU on October 28, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Why don’t they say Barack Obama, whose real name is Barack Hussein Obama…
Anyway, Joe the plumber is the second best thing to happen to McCain’s campaign (first is Palin). He tells it like it is and is not subdued about it. I am glad he is campaigning for McCain.
jencab on October 28, 2008 at 2:38 PM
And Tito is pretty great too!
Republican on October 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Why don’t they say Barack Obama, whose real name is Barack Hussein Obama or Barry Soetoro…
As far as I’m concerned, Osama Obama’s name is Mud.
I hope each time some media Obama-kisser or his campaign mentions JTP, people remember that an Obamanoid in Ohio illegally accessed and spread his personal information….
Using a “regular joe” to delve into hyperbole helps no one and solves nothing.
A president Obama, as bad as some think he may be, would not mean the “death of israel” any more than a president McCain would mean the “death of our civil rights”
Its hyperbole, its a joke, a literary technique…it should not be used as a “legitimate” political idea.
everyone who decried the left’s BDS should take a good look at the hypocrisy at play here…
Zapatero called — he wants another socialist like you in his country.
Republican on October 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Using a “regular joe” to delve into hyperbole helps no one and solves nothing.
A president Obama, as bad as some think he may be, would not mean the “death of israel” any more than a president McCain would mean the “death of our civil rightsliberties”
Its hyperbole, its a joke, a literary technique…it should not be used as a “legitimate” political idea.
everyone who decried the left’s BDS should take a good look at the hypocrisy at play here…
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM
A president Obama, as bad as some think he may be, would not mean the “death of israel” any more than a president McCain would mean the “death of our civil rights”
The only candidate with plans to attack our rights is Obama. Where the hell did you hear someone claim McCain planned to axe them?
WHat’s the matter Tom? Sad to see one of your party’s old hardline Jews see through the Obama/Khalid/Kurtzer anti-Israel policies?
Bout time some Jews wake up! Obama has said that its ok w/him if Jerusalem is divided. That would indeed be the death of Israel.
JAM on October 28, 2008 at 2:51 PM
and America as we know it
jp on October 28, 2008 at 2:54 PM
The take-home lesson is that people like Joe who live regular lives outside the political bubbles that many of us populate know in their gut the Obama’s political instincts and inexperience in the realm of national security will embolden Israel’s enemies, putting our best ally in the region at tremendous risk. This bodes well for next week’s election.
Y-not on October 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM
“Facing Criticism From Palestinians, Sen. Barack Obama Acknowledged Today That
The Status Of Jerusalem Will Need To Be Negotiated In Future Peace Talks,
Amending A Statement Earlier In The Week That Jerusalem ‘Must Remain
Undivided.’”(Glenn Kessler, “Obama Clarifies Remarks On Jerusalem,” The
Washington Post’s” The Trail” Blog, blog.washingtonpost.com, 6/5/08)
Not so far-fetched ernesto. He’s more than happy to give away the Jewish capital for peace. Only peace is never achievable w/the “palestinians” and whatever you give them is never enough. Hyperbole indeed.
JAM on October 28, 2008 at 3:00 PM
JAM on October 28, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Obviously Jerusalem would be part of negotiations. Barring killing the palestinians outright, that issue will simply have to be addressed if there is to be peace there. Their would-be prime minister knew this, but was forced into a vote due to the far right wing raising all hell. The political center in israel agrees with the obama sentiment. the far right wing there, as here, feels otherwise.
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Geez, did this AP writer ever work for Pravda?
CP on October 28, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Yes indeed! A vote for Obama is a vote against Israel. Barack Hussein Obama will strengthen Israel’s enemies. He will legitimize their claims and give them credibilty on the world stage. Folks, this all fits in line with Bible prophecy. Scripture tells us that all nations will abandon Israel in the last days and eventually they will march against her. Israel is prophesied to become an intolerable problem that world leaders think must be eliminated before there can be peace in the Middle East and in the world. See Zechariah 12:2-3. The election of Barack Hussein Obama is helping usher this along.
Bout time some Jews wake up! Obama has said that its ok w/him if Jerusalem is divided. That would indeed be the death of Israel.
Livni refused to make a pledge not to negotiate the partition of the city just the other day. If the Israelis don’t elect a government that will keep Jerusalem united then why does it even matter what Obama thinks?
so as a certifiable religious nutcase…would you support a hastening of the end times, attainable only through an obama administration?
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 3:09 PM
BadgerHawk on October 28, 2008 at 2:35 PM
That’s what the press gets for reading only the Democratic talking points, rather than finding out Joe was considering buying a business.
eforhan on October 28, 2008 at 3:20 PM
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Brilliant. Allow your enemies to flood your capital and in some fantasyland they won’t suddenly decide to destroy your country from within? Right.
The PLO, Hezbollah and Hamas have all declared that ALL of Israel is Islamic lands. It must be returned and their stated goal is to take it back and kill or run off every Jew in the territory. But I supposed that is just hyperbole? Dividing Jerusalem is unthinkable. There can be no peace until the Palestinians accept Israel’s right to exist. Agree to an undivided Jerusalem and cease all attacks on civilians within Israel.
The Jews are even willing to retreat to their 1967 border. But that is not enough for the Palestinians, b/c nothing will ever be enough. They were offered 98% of everything they ever asked for under Bill Clinton and still Arafat turned it down. The destruction of Israel is all that they have ever wanted. You are as naive as Obama.
JAM on October 28, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Livni refused to make a pledge not to negotiate the partition of the city just the other day. If the Israelis don’t elect a government that will keep Jerusalem united then why does it even matter what Obama thinks?
aengus on October 28, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Yep. I trust that elections will bring Likud in, big time – notwithstanding the polls there showing Kadima winning more seats, which I don’t believe for a second.
Israel is very scared about what they are going to have to do – on several fronts. I used to have this talk all the time when I was there. They are hoping that some other part of the wider war cracks, first. They know that Gaza was a huge mistake, but are now trapped with it. Oh well, many of us tried to warn them …
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2008 at 3:24 PM
And I forgot to add that the more I hear from Joe Wurzelbacher, the more I respect him and his thinking. He is a natural, I think.
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2008 at 3:26 PM
progressoverpeace
From the Jerusalem Post
The Likud, naturally, was pleased by reports that elections are in the offing.
“The failure is entirely Livni’s,” a Likud spokesman said. “There was a failure of leadership and poor decision making.
“Livni was not decisive and gave in too easily during the entire negotiations,” the spokesman continued. “She was willing to give in on everything, except for keeping Jerusalem united. These sort of failures prove that we need a new leadership, which will indeed be elected.”
JAM on October 28, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Yep. I trust that elections will bring Likud in, big time – notwithstanding the polls there showing Kadima winning more seats, which I don’t believe for a second.
I hope you’re right. It does look as if the Jerusalemites are likely to elect Nir Barkat as their new mayor in November. He is a true blue Zionist and broke with Kadima last year.
I hope you’re right. It does look as if the Jerusalemites are likely to elect Nir Barkat as their new mayor in November. He is a true blue Zionist and broke with Kadima last year.
aengus on October 28, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Won’t happen. He’s nice, but he can’t win against the Porush machine.
Aristotle on October 28, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Obviously Jerusalem would be part of negotiations. Barring killing the Palestinians outright, that issue will simply have to be addressed if there is to be peace there. Their would-be prime minister knew this, but was forced into a vote due to the far right wing raising all hell. The political center in israel agrees with the obama sentiment. the far right wing there, as here, feels otherwise.
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Why? It doesn’t matter what the Israelis give the Palestinians. The Palestinians will not be peaceful until Israel no longer exists. The only time the stop attacking is when the see an opportunity to regroup and build strength to come back and attack with more deadly force. The Israelis should not give the Palestinians anything at all until they change their basic premise that the State of Israel should not exist. Until then the only thing the Palestinians should be getting from Israel is return fire.
Buford on October 28, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Joe was just on FNC (via phone) w/Shep. Smith, and didn’t come off too well. Smith ended with alluding that Joe’s opinion was “scary stuff”.
I think Smith didn’t understand that it (probably) had nothing to do with Obama’s position on Israel, but more on what the enemies would see (like weakness). Unfortunately, Joe failed to express anything of the sort.
eforhan on October 28, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Obviously Jerusalem would be part of negotiations.
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 3:03 PM
I laugh everytime someone talks about “negotiations” between israelis and Palestinians. What do the Pals have to negotiate with? Negotiations require 2 sides, numbnuts. The Palestinians have nothing. They cannot negotiate with ‘nothing’. Talks between Israel and the pals are not negotiations, in any reasonable sense of the word. That would be like you negotiating with me over how much monopoly money I am going to have to pay you for your car. It’s a joke. Either you’re going to give me the car, or not, but any transfer of monopoly money (promises of peace from the ultra-violent pals) is a total joke.
Stop with the abuse of language by calling Israeli-palestinian meetings “negotiations”. They are not. They are gifting sessions where Israel is deciding how big of a gift to give to the pals. Period.
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2008 at 4:20 PM
eforhan on October 28, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Joe sounded fine. Shep thought that idea was crazy, because Shep is an idiot.
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Joe sounded fine. Shep thought that idea was crazy, because Shep is an idiot.
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Oh I think Shep was unhinged, and I think a lot of Joe– but, he wasn’t quite prepared for the questions. Even if he would have said, “Hey, it’s just my gut instinct.” would have been better, IMO.
Granted, we live in an age of “gotcha” journalism …
eforhan on October 28, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Guess he’s an unlicensed foreign policy expert now too.
Grow Fins on October 28, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Why does every article feel the need to include this?
I’ve never seen them have an issue with people going by their middle name before.
JadeNYU on October 28, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Because to be news it can’t be about some random “Joe”. The news have to be accurate, therefore use his real name.
I agree. Obama’s recent flip flop on Jerusalem being the undivided capital of Israel, his willingness to sit down with the dictator of Iran, and his pal, Kalid Rashidi, Hamas/PLO spokesman.
Fox reporting McCain’s campaign has thrown JTP under the bus for Israel comments.
CanadianGuy on October 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Having read McCain’s statement, I think your statement about JtP being thrown “under the bus” is a bit of an exaggeration. The McCain staff simply stated, “McCain aides told FOX News the Republican nominee does not share Wurzelbacher’s opinion on Obama’s view toward Israel. ” It’s a rather mild statement. I think what you might see in the coming days is someone from the McCain staff gently pull JtP aside and discuss how to deal with the media and the public.
Matt Helm on October 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM
so as a certifiable religious nutcase…would you support a hastening of the end times, attainable only through an obama administration?
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 3:09 PM
“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? (where is Jesus?)” 2 Peter 3:3-5
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Decent comments for once! I especially like this one:
And Joe is on TOUR apparently… Awesome
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 28, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Why does every article feel the need to include this?
I’ve never seen them have an issue with people going by their middle name before.
JadeNYU on October 28, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Mcguyver on October 28, 2008 at 2:33 PM
That’s from the sidebar. Gotta love Obama hitting up the tough venues to close the deal with the American people.
BadgerHawk on October 28, 2008 at 2:33 PM
…. but don’t you dare call Barry Oabama by his middle name ….. Hussein. Because then you would be a hate mongering racist. Like that phony Samuel Wurzelbacher.\
LAWL.
wise_man on October 28, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Really? He hurts the GOP message because he’s NOT a rich white guy? Seems to me the fact that he’s striving for the American dream and is worried that Obama wants to punish him if he gets there is about as good a message as the GOP could get.
BadgerHawk on October 28, 2008 at 2:35 PM
OT (even though I love Joe):
This was a comment on Hillbuzz…wonder how legit it is? At any rate, it is what we have been saying so no loss either way. Check it out.
This is how they do it. From a comment at hillbuzz early today.
October 27, 2008 at 5:04 am
Mommypundit on October 28, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Why don’t they say Barack Obama, whose real name is Barack Hussein Obama…
Anyway, Joe the plumber is the second best thing to happen to McCain’s campaign (first is Palin). He tells it like it is and is not subdued about it. I am glad he is campaigning for McCain.
jencab on October 28, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Zionist plant!
JammieWearingFool on October 28, 2008 at 2:42 PM
I see McCain continues to surround himself with foreign policy experts.
Tom_Shipley on October 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM
And Tito is pretty great too!
Republican on October 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM
As far as I’m concerned, Osama Obama’s name is Mud.
I hope each time some media Obama-kisser or his campaign mentions JTP, people remember that an Obamanoid in Ohio illegally accessed and spread his personal information….
MrScribbler on October 28, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Using a “regular joe” to delve into hyperbole helps no one and solves nothing.
A president Obama, as bad as some think he may be, would not mean the “death of israel” any more than a president McCain would mean the “death of our civil rights”
Its hyperbole, its a joke, a literary technique…it should not be used as a “legitimate” political idea.
everyone who decried the left’s BDS should take a good look at the hypocrisy at play here…
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Kos misses you. Why not go play with them?
They might like your BS.
MrScribbler on October 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Zapatero called — he wants another socialist like you in his country.
Republican on October 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Using a “regular joe” to delve into hyperbole helps no one and solves nothing.
A president Obama, as bad as some think he may be, would not mean the “death of israel” any more than a president McCain would mean the “death of our civil
rightsliberties”Its hyperbole, its a joke, a literary technique…it should not be used as a “legitimate” political idea.
everyone who decried the left’s BDS should take a good look at the hypocrisy at play here…
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM
The only candidate with plans to attack our rights is Obama. Where the hell did you hear someone claim McCain planned to axe them?
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM
doesnt change the fact that what joe the plumber said was textbook hyperbole, such a far fetched assumption a hedge fund manager wouldnt bet on it.
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM
I know mccain wont axe civil liberties…thats the point. saying so would be…lets see…HYPERBOLE
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Maybe Joe knows that pro-Obama calls to American voters are coming from a Palestinian refugee camp.
Terrie on October 28, 2008 at 2:50 PM
WHat’s the matter Tom? Sad to see one of your party’s old hardline Jews see through the Obama/Khalid/Kurtzer anti-Israel policies?
Bout time some Jews wake up! Obama has said that its ok w/him if Jerusalem is divided. That would indeed be the death of Israel.
JAM on October 28, 2008 at 2:51 PM
and America as we know it
jp on October 28, 2008 at 2:54 PM
The take-home lesson is that people like Joe who live regular lives outside the political bubbles that many of us populate know in their gut the Obama’s political instincts and inexperience in the realm of national security will embolden Israel’s enemies, putting our best ally in the region at tremendous risk. This bodes well for next week’s election.
Y-not on October 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM
“Facing Criticism From Palestinians, Sen. Barack Obama Acknowledged Today That
The Status Of Jerusalem Will Need To Be Negotiated In Future Peace Talks,
Amending A Statement Earlier In The Week That Jerusalem ‘Must Remain
Undivided.’”(Glenn Kessler, “Obama Clarifies Remarks On Jerusalem,” The
Washington Post’s” The Trail” Blog, blog.washingtonpost.com, 6/5/08)
Not so far-fetched ernesto. He’s more than happy to give away the Jewish capital for peace. Only peace is never achievable w/the “palestinians” and whatever you give them is never enough. Hyperbole indeed.
JAM on October 28, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Obviously Jerusalem would be part of negotiations. Barring killing the palestinians outright, that issue will simply have to be addressed if there is to be peace there. Their would-be prime minister knew this, but was forced into a vote due to the far right wing raising all hell. The political center in israel agrees with the obama sentiment. the far right wing there, as here, feels otherwise.
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Geez, did this AP writer ever work for Pravda?
CP on October 28, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Yes indeed! A vote for Obama is a vote against Israel. Barack Hussein Obama will strengthen Israel’s enemies. He will legitimize their claims and give them credibilty on the world stage. Folks, this all fits in line with Bible prophecy. Scripture tells us that all nations will abandon Israel in the last days and eventually they will march against her. Israel is prophesied to become an intolerable problem that world leaders think must be eliminated before there can be peace in the Middle East and in the world. See Zechariah 12:2-3. The election of Barack Hussein Obama is helping usher this along.
apacalyps on October 28, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Livni refused to make a pledge not to negotiate the partition of the city just the other day. If the Israelis don’t elect a government that will keep Jerusalem united then why does it even matter what Obama thinks?
aengus on October 28, 2008 at 3:07 PM
so as a certifiable religious nutcase…would you support a hastening of the end times, attainable only through an obama administration?
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 3:09 PM
BadgerHawk on October 28, 2008 at 2:35 PM
That’s what the press gets for reading only the Democratic talking points, rather than finding out Joe was considering buying a business.
eforhan on October 28, 2008 at 3:20 PM
ernesto on October 28, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Brilliant. Allow your enemies to flood your capital and in some fantasyland they won’t suddenly decide to destroy your country from within? Right.
The PLO, Hezbollah and Hamas have all declared that ALL of Israel is Islamic lands. It must be returned and their stated goal is to take it back and kill or run off every Jew in the territory. But I supposed that is just hyperbole? Dividing Jerusalem is unthinkable. There can be no peace until the Palestinians accept Israel’s right to exist. Agree to an undivided Jerusalem and cease all attacks on civilians within Israel.
The Jews are even willing to retreat to their 1967 border. But that is not enough for the Palestinians, b/c nothing will ever be enough. They were offered 98% of everything they ever asked for under Bill Clinton and still Arafat turned it down. The destruction of Israel is all that they have ever wanted. You are as naive as Obama.
JAM on October 28, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Yep. I trust that elections will bring Likud in, big time – notwithstanding the polls there showing Kadima winning more seats, which I don’t believe for a second.
Israel is very scared about what they are going to have to do – on several fronts. I used to have this talk all the time when I was there. They are hoping that some other part of the wider war cracks, first. They know that Gaza was a huge mistake, but are now trapped with it. Oh well, many of us tried to warn them …
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2008 at 3:24 PM
And I forgot to add that the more I hear from Joe Wurzelbacher, the more I respect him and his thinking. He is a natural, I think.
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2008 at 3:26 PM
progressoverpeace
From the Jerusalem Post
The Likud, naturally, was pleased by reports that elections are in the offing.
“The failure is entirely Livni’s,” a Likud spokesman said. “There was a failure of leadership and poor decision making.
“Livni was not decisive and gave in too easily during the entire negotiations,” the spokesman continued. “She was willing to give in on everything, except for keeping Jerusalem united. These sort of failures prove that we need a new leadership, which will indeed be elected.”
JAM on October 28, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I hope you’re right. It does look as if the Jerusalemites are likely to elect Nir Barkat as their new mayor in November. He is a true blue Zionist and broke with Kadima last year.
aengus on October 28, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Won’t happen. He’s nice, but he can’t win against the Porush machine.
Aristotle on October 28, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Why? It doesn’t matter what the Israelis give the Palestinians. The Palestinians will not be peaceful until Israel no longer exists. The only time the stop attacking is when the see an opportunity to regroup and build strength to come back and attack with more deadly force. The Israelis should not give the Palestinians anything at all until they change their basic premise that the State of Israel should not exist. Until then the only thing the Palestinians should be getting from Israel is return fire.
Buford on October 28, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Joe was just on FNC (via phone) w/Shep. Smith, and didn’t come off too well. Smith ended with alluding that Joe’s opinion was “scary stuff”.
I think Smith didn’t understand that it (probably) had nothing to do with Obama’s position on Israel, but more on what the enemies would see (like weakness). Unfortunately, Joe failed to express anything of the sort.
eforhan on October 28, 2008 at 3:59 PM
I laugh everytime someone talks about “negotiations” between israelis and Palestinians. What do the Pals have to negotiate with? Negotiations require 2 sides, numbnuts. The Palestinians have nothing. They cannot negotiate with ‘nothing’. Talks between Israel and the pals are not negotiations, in any reasonable sense of the word. That would be like you negotiating with me over how much monopoly money I am going to have to pay you for your car. It’s a joke. Either you’re going to give me the car, or not, but any transfer of monopoly money (promises of peace from the ultra-violent pals) is a total joke.
Stop with the abuse of language by calling Israeli-palestinian meetings “negotiations”. They are not. They are gifting sessions where Israel is deciding how big of a gift to give to the pals. Period.
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Joe sounded fine. Shep thought that idea was crazy, because Shep is an idiot.
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Oh I think Shep was unhinged, and I think a lot of Joe– but, he wasn’t quite prepared for the questions. Even if he would have said, “Hey, it’s just my gut instinct.” would have been better, IMO.
Granted, we live in an age of “gotcha” journalism …
eforhan on October 28, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Guess he’s an unlicensed foreign policy expert now too.
Grow Fins on October 28, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Because to be news it can’t be about some random “Joe”. The news have to be accurate, therefore use his real name.
mycowardice on October 28, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Obama will change the world alright.
12.12.2012.
The anti-Christ cometh.
madmonkphotog on October 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM
I agree. Obama’s recent flip flop on Jerusalem being the undivided capital of Israel, his willingness to sit down with the dictator of Iran, and his pal, Kalid Rashidi, Hamas/PLO spokesman.
Urban Infidel on October 28, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Fox reporting McCain’s campaign has thrown JTP under the bus for Israel comments.
CanadianGuy on October 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Having read McCain’s statement, I think your statement about JtP being thrown “under the bus” is a bit of an exaggeration. The McCain staff simply stated, “McCain aides told FOX News the Republican nominee does not share Wurzelbacher’s opinion on Obama’s view toward Israel. ” It’s a rather mild statement. I think what you might see in the coming days is someone from the McCain staff gently pull JtP aside and discuss how to deal with the media and the public.
Matt Helm on October 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM
“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? (where is Jesus?)” 2 Peter 3:3-5
You were prophesied too, ernesto.
apacalyps on October 28, 2008 at 8:05 PM