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Notice that when McCain creeps up, the number of undecided’s go down. And there IS definitely a trend.
God, I plan on going home and drinking after I vote on Nov. 4th.
Oink on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
If one listens to the news either on radio or tv you’d think this graph is pure make believe. Don’t you know that ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and NYTimes says it’s over?
Poor Allah, if Mccain/Palin wins what will hapen to your pessimistic pose?
I suppose there’s always immigration.
promachus on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Pessimistic or not, AP informs us. Plus, I’m betting he’d look damn silly in a short skirt and pom poms.
Patrick S on October 21, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Background please?
connertown on October 21, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Pessimistic or not, AP informs us. Plus, I’m betting he’d look damn silly in a short skirt and pom poms.
Patrick S on October 21, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Why should we take your word on this? Post a pic!
platypus on October 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
I suppose there’s always immigration.
promachus on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Among other things. I’ll be happy if McCain wins but only briefly. As far as I’m concerned, he’s simply the lesser evil, and the more Obama opens his mouth, the more I think McCain is a necessary evil.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
rasmeseen still has it 50-46
unseen on October 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
God, I plan on going home and drinking after I vote on Nov. 4th.
So a week ago this was a 13-point lead for Obama and now it’s one point?
Hmmmmm….
JammieWearingFool on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Still, can’t put too much faith in any polls. It’s votes that matter.
JetBoy on October 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
wise_man on October 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM
It’s a phrase, wise. I’m not saying he eats babies for breakfast. Please, back off your attack.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
So a week ago this was a 13-point lead for Obama and now it’s one point?
Hmmmmm….
JammieWearingFool on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Rush said this months ago. When election day gets closer, you will see the polls change. These pollsters want to get it right.
By the way, I heard on Mike Gallagher’s show the “pollster” Frank Luntz went on the disgusting Bill Maher show and declared Obama the winner, and insulted McCain saying, “Stevie Wonder could read a teleprompter better than McCain.”
What an ass. I am sick of seeing his mug on Fox News and that disgusting toupee of his.
jencab on October 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
If McCain wins, I think Allah should post his picture in a thread!
lorien1973 on October 21, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Translation: “I’ll post a picture of myself.” You guys are Eeyore twins. But I caught an un-before-seen glimmer in your “if McCain wins”—believe! I’m not quite to ManlyRash’s level of confidence, but it’s growing. Drag him across the finish line.
so how are the weighting this poll vs. all these others? Maybe they are weighting it to 2006 voter Turnout instead of these plus 15 Dem models in the MSM polls?
jp on October 21, 2008 at 10:24 AM
The only good polls are the ones that show your guy close, so I likey this one!
Wow, everyone is after Obama — at least, that’s what the MSM, Hollywood idiots, and left-wing pundits tell us.
Pff, the man can’t close the deal.
Richard Romano on October 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
One thing to remember about McCain: despite his faulty stance on immigration, he is not — as opposed to Osama Obama — the type who will subvert the will of the people. We may have to say it loudly and actively a time or two more, but if the public reacts as it did before to his immigration policies, they won’t happen.
This is the biggest danger we face from The Messiah. He — and Congress — will ignore the public to achieve their socialist/Marxist agenda.
McCain is a man of honor who believes in the oath he took to defend the Constitution and American citizens.
Fine, then it was whining. I don’t care what you want to call it. I just don’t want you arguing with me every time I make any comment that isn’t fully supportive of McCain.
I’ve never lied about my distrust of him. I’m only voting for him because of Palin and Obama, but that doesn’t mean everything I write needs a response or needs to be further clarified as if I’ve just attacked him.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:30 AM
MrScribbler on October 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM
You’re saying he’ll listen to us? Based on what proof? Did the people want McCain-Feingold?
And yes, he claims he’s heard us out on immigration, but when he had his chance, he voted for amnesty. Had others not heard our complaints and changed their votes, it would have passed.
McCain has a record of going directly against conservatives. It’s how he got his Maverick title.
Yes, he’ll be much better than Obama, but let’s not kid ourselves here in assuming he’ll care any more about what we have to say when he’s in office than he did before.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:33 AM
It was not an attack at you. And it is not whining on my part.
It was not an attack at you. And it is not whining on my part.
You have a thin skin, and you need to chill out.
wise_man on October 21, 2008 at 10:34 AM
I’m perfectly calm. All I’m asking is for you to not jump on me. You jumped on the word evil and wrote it in big blocks as though what I had written deserved extra attention. Call it what you want, calling attention to a word a commentor used, I don’t really care.
Just don’t always assume the worst about my posts. I think it’s a simple request, and I’m asking it as “chill” as I possibly can.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM
And so begins the pollsters attempt to not appear like total idiots for their previous make-believe polls.
They have to start reflecting the true mood of the country now that their agenda polling phase must end.
Elizabetty on October 21, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Suit yourself. I’m going to start before I vote.
Don’t do that, you might pull the lever for the wrong guy.
nickj116 on October 21, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Don’t do that, you might pull the lever for the wrong guy.
nickj116 on October 21, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Alright, two drinks max.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:48 AM
God, I plan on going home and drinking after I vote on Nov. 4th.
Oink on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
We will all need funnels.
____________
RJGatorEsq. on October 21, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Imagine if all the polls were right, and there were a mass of people who changed their mind every single day. If that were the case, this election will be like a coin toss – whoever those people like on Nov. 4, even if they didn’t like them on Nov. 3, will win.
YYZ on October 21, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Question for some with legal knowledge.
Roosevelt threatened to pack the SC so they wouldn’t find his programs unconstitutional. This implies to me that the SC could independently find legislation unconstitutional without someone challenging it before the court. So, why couldn’t the SC determine that much of the Liberal agenda, like nationalized health care, is unconstitutional and prevent it from becoming law?
DerKrieger on October 21, 2008 at 11:07 AM
It’s not the horse race numbers that bring tears of joy to my eyes. It’s the trendlines. Now watch them jigger the numbers next time and force me to find a different favorite poll…
DK – read THE FORGOTTEN MAN by Shlaes, which is very useful reading already, and will become required reading if BO wins (perish the thought, saints preserve us, etc.). The New Deal was under challenge constantly and from different directions. There has to be a case, but the Court has wide discretion over which cases it will hear, and some plaintiffs are more equal than others. Matters deemed urgent can arrive there almost immediately, as we have seen recent history, and others can take years, but the Court can’t simply move on its own – it needs a pretext. As I recall, the most effective and important challenges in the Depression Era came from below – from the Joe the Plumbers of the era.
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Herein ends my rant.
Actually, I got most of my brains as borrowed assets from Rush Limbaugh.
He let me use the other half that he doesn’t need.
If McCain wins, I think Allah should post his picture in a thread!
lorien1973 on October 21, 2008 at 10:15 AM
First look at Allahpundit!
Mr. Wednesday Night on October 21, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Suit yourself. I’m going to start before I vote.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Heh, you’re funny
(and me a tea totaler)
Renae on October 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM
And when is this picture of Ayers and Dohrn bouncing the Obama moppets on their knees supposedly breaking?
Chuck Schick on October 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM
This is the Battleground tracker — it tends to overrepresent Republican support. Had Bush winning by 6 points in ‘04, and it was the last one to have McCain winning.
This is the Battleground tracker — it tends to overrepresent Republican support. Had Bush winning by 6 points in ‘04, and it was the last one to have McCain winning.
Sorry.
tigerinexile on October 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Really? They had Bush winning in 2004? Guess they really messed that up, huh?
You mis-remeber the history. The court ruled on a case – I forget which without my library – and ruled part of the new deal unconstitutional. The president made his threat and took steps to carry it out – a subsequent court case was found in the president’s favor, and he had his new deal.
DocKen on October 21, 2008 at 1:34 PM
This is the Battleground tracker — it tends to overrepresent Republican support. Had Bush winning by 6 points in ‘04, and it was the last one to have McCain winning.
Sorry.
(But hey, there’s hope for us…)
tigerinexile on October 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Uh, sorry tiger – This is archived from RCP
Monday, November 8 2004
WHICH POLLSTER WAS THE MOST ACCURATE?: By and large the pollsters did an excellent job this year, especially when you consider the significant variables they were grappling with (massive registration increases, historic levels of intensity, cell phones, etc) and also that they were working under intense public scrutiny and scorching partisan attacks from both sides.
At the national level the answer to the question is pretty straightforward. Ed Goeas’s GW-Battleground Vote Projection and Pew Research got it exactly right. Goeas’s final Battleground projection was Bush 51.2, Kerry 47.8, Nader 0.5
Blowback
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Notice that when McCain creeps up, the number of undecided’s go down. And there IS definitely a trend.
God, I plan on going home and drinking after I vote on Nov. 4th.
Oink on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
If one listens to the news either on radio or tv you’d think this graph is pure make believe. Don’t you know that ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and NYTimes says it’s over?
kyarnes on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Stupid polls! Wait-
carbon_footprint on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
So a week ago this was a 13-point lead for Obama and now it’s one point?
Hmmmmm….
JammieWearingFool on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Poor Allah, if Mccain/Palin wins what will hapen to your pessimistic pose?
I suppose there’s always immigration.
promachus on October 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Margin of error for polls +/- 20%
- The Cat
P.S. 110% in cities where Acorn is involved.
MirCat on October 21, 2008 at 10:15 AM
A trend? I got a hope bubble stuck in my throat.
ronsfi on October 21, 2008 at 10:15 AM
If McCain wins, I think Allah should post his picture in a thread!
lorien1973 on October 21, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Hope and change.
lodge on October 21, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Pessimistic or not, AP informs us. Plus, I’m betting he’d look damn silly in a short skirt and pom poms.
Patrick S on October 21, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Background please?
connertown on October 21, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Why should we take your word on this? Post a pic!
platypus on October 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Among other things. I’ll be happy if McCain wins but only briefly. As far as I’m concerned, he’s simply the lesser evil, and the more Obama opens his mouth, the more I think McCain is a necessary evil.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
rasmeseen still has it 50-46
unseen on October 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Suit yourself. I’m going to start before I vote.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Get outta here.
Mayhem on October 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Yup. McCain is Evil. – evil.
EVIL!
Right?
wise_man on October 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM
I started three weeks ago.
carbon_footprint on October 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Still, can’t put too much faith in any polls. It’s votes that matter.
JetBoy on October 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
It’s a phrase, wise. I’m not saying he eats babies for breakfast. Please, back off your attack.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Rush said this months ago. When election day gets closer, you will see the polls change. These pollsters want to get it right.
By the way, I heard on Mike Gallagher’s show the “pollster” Frank Luntz went on the disgusting Bill Maher show and declared Obama the winner, and insulted McCain saying, “Stevie Wonder could read a teleprompter better than McCain.”
What an ass. I am sick of seeing his mug on Fox News and that disgusting toupee of his.
jencab on October 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Translation: “I’ll post a picture of myself.” You guys are Eeyore twins. But I caught an un-before-seen glimmer in your “if McCain wins”—believe! I’m not quite to ManlyRash’s level of confidence, but it’s growing. Drag him across the finish line.
hoosiermama on October 21, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Not evil enough, I fear.
lorien1973 on October 21, 2008 at 10:24 AM
so how are the weighting this poll vs. all these others? Maybe they are weighting it to 2006 voter Turnout instead of these plus 15 Dem models in the MSM polls?
jp on October 21, 2008 at 10:24 AM
The only good polls are the ones that show your guy close, so I likey this one!
hippie_chucker on October 21, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Good lord my comment was ‘an attack’?
Really?
wise_man on October 21, 2008 at 10:26 AM
The last thing Frank Luntz should do is make fun of anyone considering he has that dead animal on his head.
JammieWearingFool on October 21, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Wow, everyone is after Obama — at least, that’s what the MSM, Hollywood idiots, and left-wing pundits tell us.
Pff, the man can’t close the deal.
Richard Romano on October 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM
One thing to remember about McCain: despite his faulty stance on immigration, he is not — as opposed to Osama Obama — the type who will subvert the will of the people. We may have to say it loudly and actively a time or two more, but if the public reacts as it did before to his immigration policies, they won’t happen.
This is the biggest danger we face from The Messiah. He — and Congress — will ignore the public to achieve their socialist/Marxist agenda.
McCain is a man of honor who believes in the oath he took to defend the Constitution and American citizens.
MrScribbler on October 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Well, the debates can put anyone in the mood.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Oink has a good point about the undecideds, but the more important factor with this poll is the small daily sample. Volatility is almost guaranteed.
Karl on October 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Fine, then it was whining. I don’t care what you want to call it. I just don’t want you arguing with me every time I make any comment that isn’t fully supportive of McCain.
I’ve never lied about my distrust of him. I’m only voting for him because of Palin and Obama, but that doesn’t mean everything I write needs a response or needs to be further clarified as if I’ve just attacked him.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:30 AM
You’re saying he’ll listen to us? Based on what proof? Did the people want McCain-Feingold?
And yes, he claims he’s heard us out on immigration, but when he had his chance, he voted for amnesty. Had others not heard our complaints and changed their votes, it would have passed.
McCain has a record of going directly against conservatives. It’s how he got his Maverick title.
Yes, he’ll be much better than Obama, but let’s not kid ourselves here in assuming he’ll care any more about what we have to say when he’s in office than he did before.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:33 AM
It was not an attack at you. And it is not whining on my part.
You have a thin skin, and you need to chill out.
wise_man on October 21, 2008 at 10:34 AM
I’m perfectly calm. All I’m asking is for you to not jump on me. You jumped on the word evil and wrote it in big blocks as though what I had written deserved extra attention. Call it what you want, calling attention to a word a commentor used, I don’t really care.
Just don’t always assume the worst about my posts. I think it’s a simple request, and I’m asking it as “chill” as I possibly can.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM
And so begins the pollsters attempt to not appear like total idiots for their previous make-believe polls.
They have to start reflecting the true mood of the country now that their agenda polling phase must end.
Elizabetty on October 21, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Don’t do that, you might pull the lever for the wrong guy.
nickj116 on October 21, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Alright, two drinks max.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 10:48 AM
We will all need funnels.
____________
RJGatorEsq. on October 21, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Imagine if all the polls were right, and there were a mass of people who changed their mind every single day. If that were the case, this election will be like a coin toss – whoever those people like on Nov. 4, even if they didn’t like them on Nov. 3, will win.
YYZ on October 21, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Question for some with legal knowledge.
Roosevelt threatened to pack the SC so they wouldn’t find his programs unconstitutional. This implies to me that the SC could independently find legislation unconstitutional without someone challenging it before the court. So, why couldn’t the SC determine that much of the Liberal agenda, like nationalized health care, is unconstitutional and prevent it from becoming law?
DerKrieger on October 21, 2008 at 11:07 AM
It’s not the horse race numbers that bring tears of joy to my eyes. It’s the trendlines. Now watch them jigger the numbers next time and force me to find a different favorite poll…
DK – read THE FORGOTTEN MAN by Shlaes, which is very useful reading already, and will become required reading if BO wins (perish the thought, saints preserve us, etc.). The New Deal was under challenge constantly and from different directions. There has to be a case, but the Court has wide discretion over which cases it will hear, and some plaintiffs are more equal than others. Matters deemed urgent can arrive there almost immediately, as we have seen recent history, and others can take years, but the Court can’t simply move on its own – it needs a pretext. As I recall, the most effective and important challenges in the Depression Era came from below – from the Joe the Plumbers of the era.
CK MacLeod on October 21, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Were it not for rampant voter fraud..McCain could win this! (Remember…it’s the electoral count that is going to be the issue.)
dmarie on October 21, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Only one thing to say about these polls;
CONFUSION IS KING
…..Time to head to the liquor cabinet…
Dritanian on October 21, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Warning. This is a rant. This is only a rant.
Herein ends my rant.
Actually, I got most of my brains as borrowed assets from Rush Limbaugh.
He let me use the other half that he doesn’t need.
Mcguyver on October 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM
First look at Allahpundit!
Mr. Wednesday Night on October 21, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Heh, you’re funny
(and me a tea totaler)
Renae on October 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM
And when is this picture of Ayers and Dohrn bouncing the Obama moppets on their knees supposedly breaking?
Chuck Schick on October 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM
This is the Battleground tracker — it tends to overrepresent Republican support. Had Bush winning by 6 points in ‘04, and it was the last one to have McCain winning.
Sorry.
(But hey, there’s hope for us…)
tigerinexile on October 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Really? They had Bush winning in 2004? Guess they really messed that up, huh?
(Sarcasm off)
Gregor on October 21, 2008 at 1:24 PM
You mis-remeber the history. The court ruled on a case – I forget which without my library – and ruled part of the new deal unconstitutional. The president made his threat and took steps to carry it out – a subsequent court case was found in the president’s favor, and he had his new deal.
DocKen on October 21, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Uh, sorry tiger – This is archived from RCP
Bluecaper on October 21, 2008 at 5:22 PM