Obama talked about raising kids in the White House, her mother’s unsuccessful attempts to escape living there after a few years, whether she’d live in the White House if one of her daughters becomes president — “Oh god, that will never happen,” she said — the dogs, and how first families have to pay for their own food while living in the White House. “That’s crazy to me,” Kimmel said. Obama explained what it generally isn’t crazy, except that the staff “are very responsive, at your expense.”

“If you wanted to get someone in your husband’s administration fired, how would you do that?” Kimmel asked after a break. Obama laughed. “Why do you ask?” she said diplomatically. She explained that nobody on the White House staff rubbed her the wrong way, Kimmel said he didn’t believe her, and he brought up a game he and his wife play, informally called “What if Obama had done this?” “Oh god, we play that at home, too,” she said. “Quite often.” Kimmel asked Obama if anybody has seriously approached her about running for office, she said “all the time,” but she’s “never had any serious conversations with anyone about it because it’s not something that I’m interested in or would ever do, ever.” You can watch that, her un-first-lady-like comments, and how she tried to get copies of her book, Becoming, to old boyfriends and bullies, below.