You don’t think there is a distinction between domestic bombings … that hurt real people, and John McCain executing a mission over North Vietnam? Is there any difference in kind between those two acts?

Ayers: There is no difference in kind between killing of any human being. Any killing of any human being is a universe lost. Let’s be clear.

If we sat on a stage with Henry Kissinger, Robert McNamara, John McCain, John Kerry, Bob Kerrey, me and whoever else you want to put up there … George Bush. And then you could measure responsibility. And I’d be happy in that context and that company.