Both Matthews and Salon.com Editor at Large Joan Walsh agreed that, “if you’re really an honest person,” neither proposed docudramas are going to help shape Clinton’s image favorably ahead of a potential presidential campaign.

“By the way, those who talk about the tight relationship between MSNBC and Barack Obama, for example, count the number of times he’s been on this network,” Matthews insisted. “Zero.”

“He agrees with us and we agree with him sometimes,” Matthews added when lightly challenged by Steele. “I actually have my views and he tends to coincide with them.”