Cyprus offers a scary economic lesson for America
And while deposit taxes aren’t on the US policy radar, other forms of wealth taxes are making their way into view. A New York Times op-ed back in November suggested one version:
“American household wealth totaled more than $58 trillion in 2010. A flat wealth tax of just 1.5 percent on financial assets and other wealth like housing, cars and business ownership would have been more than enough to replace all the revenue of the income, estate and gift taxes, which amounted to about $833 billion after refunds. Brackets of, say, zero percent up to $500,000 in wealth, 1 percent for wealth between $500,000 and $1 million, and 2 percent for wealth above $1 million would probably have done the trick as well.”
See, the math works! And, of course, no unintended consequences on savings and investment. By the way, don’t forget that many liberal policymakers think 401k plans a bad idea and would prefer eliminating their preferential tax treatment in favor of government-created “guaranteed retirement accounts.”
Of course, as Cyprus shows, you can see how government guarantees can sometimes turn out.









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petefrt on March 19, 2013 at 9:19 AM
A wealth tax(or at least the proposal of one) is coming, rest assured. Class warfare has gone completely mainstream within the Democrat Party. Of course the consequences of even hinting at a wealth tax would be disastrous, but this nation is being run by economic illiterates, so that won’t matter.
Doughboy on March 19, 2013 at 9:21 AM
Another lesson from Cypress: If China threatens to pull the plug on our debt, we can always give them the oil/gas rights on federal land.
petefrt on March 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM
No scary enough for the pigs at the US trough to do anything about it.
vityas on March 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM
One barrier to the Dems’ idea is one Dem faction: trial lawyers. Few law firms have traditional pension plans. It’s all 401(k)s and maybe some kind of tax sheltered profit sharing.
Hillary wanted to grab all the 401(k)s like Johnson grabbed the Social Security trust fund to finance the Great War on Poverty. Someone had to explain to the Yale Law School graduate that the 401(k)’s were private property.
Wethal on March 19, 2013 at 9:24 AM
Katie Pavlich in Townhall. (HT: Instapundit)
Remember, what Obama can’t get through Congress (see EPA), he’ll do by regulation.
Set the standards for 401(k)s so that the only thing that qualifies is US Treasury bonds if you want to keep the tax sheltering.
Wethal on March 19, 2013 at 9:27 AM
I think first we will see pensions and 401(k)s seized as in Argentina, and capital controls placed on the banks. They may even outlaw use of cash before actually seizing deposits.
Doomberg on March 19, 2013 at 9:29 AM
Oh, it’s “just” 1.5% so it’s all cool.
I’m convinced that the leftists actually desire a civil war, their actions and rhetoric are pushing heavily in that direction.
Bishop on March 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM
Insightful comment over at Instapundit from a reader:
All sorts of otherwise non-prepping Americans are taking a close look at the clowns running our nation and getting an itch to start socking a few things away. It started with lightbulbs, but when even hypocrite Mark Kelly is gunning-up you know it’s for real.
Bishop on March 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM
I don’t see that happening before a wealth tax. A wealth tax can be sold to the country, as scary as that sounds. We have so many citizens with no skin in the game in terms of federal income taxes and nearly zero in net worth that they’ll gladly get onboard for soaking “the rich” one more time.
Seizing 401ks and pensions on the other hand would never fly with a majority of the public. Way too many in the middle class have those to willingly hand them over the government. And forget about touching pensions. Imagine the union sh-tstorm that would rain down on the Dems if they tried that.
Doughboy on March 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM
economic lesson?
Really the gov seizes 10% of a person’s life savings and it offers an economic lesson?
It should offer a political lesson as well. In fact it should be a wake up call on the difference between freedom and total government control. and the dems and GOPE want us to be more like the EU.
unseen on March 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM
won’t matter if the gov succeeds in taking the guns away.
if Crypus had a 2A there would be an armed revolt going on right now over there.
unseen on March 19, 2013 at 9:58 AM
All our fears expressed here shall come to pass. It is inevitable.
slickwillie2001 on March 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM
Union members would be exempted of course, just as they are in the stinker Obamacare.
slickwillie2001 on March 19, 2013 at 10:19 AM
Willie Suttonomics
Monumental Deceit: How Our Politicians Have Lied And Lied About The True Purpose Of The European Behemoth
Fanatics Who’ll Do Anything To Save The Euro
Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 10:26 AM
Sorry, but the 401k confiscation would still cause a revolt amongst the middle class(not to mention “the rich”). It cannot happen in this country without a serious backlash.
Doughboy on March 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM
At interest rates of less than 1% there’s no reason for anyone to risk their capital by keeping it in a bank. This is what these sooper-geniuses in the government don’t seem to understand. When interest rates are high, people are somewhat forced to make their money available by banking it. With interest rates near zero, only the dim-witted would see a bank as a vehicle for either the growth of their money or the protection of it – the only two functions that a bank has for depositors. Ultra-low interest rates make runs on banks much more likely … and they will happen.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 19, 2013 at 10:38 AM
I’m torn on this. Everything they are doing says they want one, but they have to know that we have all the guns, right?
I mean, if it came to it, don’t they give away the inherent advantage? ( I am assuming, of course, that the military will be split in the event of hostilities.)
Washington Nearsider on March 19, 2013 at 10:45 AM
Sure it could. It would not be called confiscation. It would happen after a serious market crash, which is inevitable. It would be couched in terms of a ‘rescue plan for the retirement plans of the folks‘.
Feds would offer to take over 401K/IRA in return for making them whole at the valuation date some time in the past.
Don’t underestimate their ability to make this look like an attractive option. They have to break the system first so that people have no other choice. It’s Obamacare; it’s Cloward and Piven.
slickwillie2001 on March 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Not if we’re disarmed and/or the government’s starting position is ‘we know where all the guns are.’
Washington Nearsider on March 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM
They say the military is always prepared to fight the last war. It would be easy for us to fall into the same trap. I think we need to think outside the box. I think it would be better to follow a course of civil disobedience than outright rebellion.
Think about it.
trigon on March 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM
NONE of the proposals the government will make will mean much if the government won’t stop spending our money faster and faster. The only question is whether the free-money train in DC will finally derail itself before or after we’ve all become completely destitute.
Aitch748 on March 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM
A wealth tax is unconstitutional. The Sixteenth Amendment permits taxation only on income and the Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that there must be a “liquidity event” or “transaction” before the Federal government can tax assets.
‘Income may be defined as the gain derived from capital, from labor, or from both combined,’ Stratton’s Independence v Howbert, 231 U.S. 399, (1913).
‘Income within the meaning of the 16th Amendment and the Revenue Act means, gain … and, in such connection, gain means profit… proceeding from property severed from capital, however invested or employed and coming in, received or drawn by the taxpayer for his separate use, benefit and disposal.’ – Staples v United States, (1918).
While it acknowledged the power of the Federal government to tax income under the Sixteenth Amendment in Eisner v Macomber, 252 U.S. 189 (1920, the Court said this did not give Congress the power to tax — as income — anything other than income, i.e., that Congress did not have the power to re-define the term income as it appeared in the Constitution:
Holding:
Instead, income is realised whenever there are “instances of
1) undeniable accessions to wealth
2) clearly realised, and
3) over which the taxpayers have complete dominion.”
‘Congress has taxed INCOME, not compensation or property.’ – Conner v United States, 303 F Supp. 1187 (1969). Notice that the Court took special pains to emphasize only INCOME IS TAXABLE.
“… whatever may constitute income, therefore, must have the essental feature of gain to the recipient. This was true when the 16th Amendment became effective, it was true at the time of Eisner v Macomber, it was true under Section 22(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1938, and it is likewise true under Section 61(a) of the I.R.S. Code of 1954. If there is not gain, there is not income … Congress has taxed income not compensation.” – Conner v United States, 303 F Supp. 1187 (1969).
“Before the 1921 Act this Court had indicated (see Eisner v Macomber, 252 U.S. 189 (1920)), what it later held, that ‘income,’ as used in the revenue acts taxing income, adopted since the 16th Amendment, has the same meaning that it had in the Act of 1909, Merchants; Loan & T. Co. v Smietanka, 255 U.S. 509, (1921); Southern Pacific Co. v Lowe, 247 U.S. 330, (1918).” – Burnet v Harmel, 287 U.S. 103 (1932).
Resist We Much on March 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM