Chicago Tribune
Retired general: National Guard could help curb Chicago violence
“Just like we do with any disaster. When the tornado comes, or the floods come, the federal government comes in to help,” Russel L. Honore said Thursday at a news conference in Chicago.
“Let’s not let this be about pride. ‘We are big ol’ Chicago, we are too proud, we can handle this.’ Maybe you can’t handle it. If you need help, get the federal government here. But let’s control the streets so children and elderly people can be in a safe community.”
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You mean people with GUNS? Oh, only “approved” people with guns. Serfs need not apply.
SirGawain on February 22, 2013 at 4:48 PM
Don’t get “stuck on stupid”, General.
Let’s try some political reform before we put federal boots and bullets on the ground.
aquaviva on February 22, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Yes, let’s do things like every other third world sh-thole does them. Let’s use our military for domestic law enforcement.
CurtZHP on February 22, 2013 at 4:52 PM
aquaviva on February 22, 2013 at 4:49 PM
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Ummm your lack of military knowledge is showing.
The Governor of each state can mobilize the guard to assist with issues.
They are not under Federal orders.
LincolntheHun on February 22, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Since liberal policies created the problem let’s send in bands of aged hippies.
darwin on February 22, 2013 at 4:55 PM
Time to brush up on the ol’ Third Amendment.
Mr. D on February 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM
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When local governance breaks down (or is just thoroughly incompetent) then you have what is called a state of emergency. If that occurs the Governor can mobilize the guard to restore order. If things get way out of control the governor can declare Martial Law and then the military runs everything.
All completely legal, both have been done multiple times before, and it doesn’t mean bloody rev00lution.
LincolntheHun on February 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM
Hey LincolntheHun….
Get off my lawn.
aquaviva on February 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM
Do down-state Illinois a favor, let Chicago burn.
davidk on February 22, 2013 at 5:01 PM
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Not sure who is confused here, I think the reporter is at fault, but the National Guard is covered by US Code 32.
Federal military is covered by US Code 10.
Same with the militia, http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
So if the governor calls them up they fall under title 32 and their Commander in Chief is the State Governor.
If they are called up by the Pres. they are under title 10 and their Commander in Chief is the Pres.
And women are not considered part of the militia.
LincolntheHun on February 22, 2013 at 5:10 PM
By them I mean the National Guard, State Governor can’t mobilize Federal Troops.
LincolntheHun on February 22, 2013 at 5:11 PM
Detroit 1967?
Ward Cleaver on February 22, 2013 at 5:37 PM
It’s hard to decide whether the obvious precedent for naked fascism, federal war on the citizenry, and the Orwellian defining-down of disasters outweigh the delicious prospect of the quintessential warren of Blue corruption being patrolled like the UN protectorate that it should be.
Will the National Guard patrols extend to the big office buildings and City Hall? That’s where the real crime is; the murders are just a trickle down of all the embezzlement.
HitNRun on February 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM
davidk on February 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM
With plenty of ammo and loose ROE’s, he may be right.
“Rule 303″
jnelchef on February 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Would set a very bad precedent. Better that the militia (i.e., armed citizens) be allowed to handle the problem. i.e, allow law abiding citizens in the cesspit known as Chicago to be able to defend themselves. Oh, and tell any of the inevitable “civil rights” lawyers from the perpetual grievance class who come to sue those who do protect themselves to get stuffed and toss them out of court on their backsides so hard they bounce. Twice. Yeah, I realize that’s a really radical concept, but it seems a tad less radical than sending in the National Guard to enforce martial law during peace time and absent a natural disaster.
AZfederalist on February 22, 2013 at 6:00 PM
The National Guard is a STATE function. As a state function they can be tasked with keeping the peace. However, if it is nationalized, it can’t be used in its “keep the peace” function. Eisenhower did use active regular troops in enforcing the Supreme Court integration decision in Arkansas – which most people think violated posse comitatus. When used by the State, the NG does perform a “milita” function.
I have very little hope left for this country, and that loss of hope is accentuated by the extremely low knowledge of our laws and customs by the so-called “higher information” commenters on Hot Air. Just go up and review the comments and be appalled by the abysmal ignorance of the posters, even the ones I agree with. You all know what you know, but you don’t have any idea of what you don’t know and that is dangerous. If you want to know about posse comitatus (which does not apply to non-federalized National Guard) I suggest you go find a veteran or lawyer and have it explained to you.
By the way, even the Navy has to have a coastguards man with enforcement authority on board to make arrests.
Old Country Boy on February 22, 2013 at 6:35 PM
Oh, I totally understand that the state National Guards are purely a state function, but still believe their use in cases like this sets a bad precedent for several reasons. First, it is the state using military force to fix a problem created by a local government. Granted Illinois state gun laws aren’t much better than Chicago’s, but they are somewhat better and it is the Chicago government’s draconian gun laws that have created this mess in which the criminals are well armed and the law abiding citizens unarmed sheep. Secondly, if you don’t think people on this forum understand the difference, the LIV’s are even less likely to understand. Once they become inured to people in military uniforms enforcing the peace, they won’t know the difference when real no-kidding federal troops are sent to occupy areas that resist federal encroachment. They have no idea what posse comitatus is, they’d guess it was some old spaghetti western. Finally, it doesn’t do anything to advance individual freedom and liberty, but only serves to further repress it.
AZfederalist on February 22, 2013 at 6:46 PM
Let me speak as a National Guard vet and explain that there is no longer much if any meaningful distinction in state/federal powers when it comes to the NG. When the Federal government needs an NG unit they just put them on Title 10 orders. Simple as that. No input from the state government required. It’s how deployments work.
pauljc on February 22, 2013 at 6:57 PM
How delicious and absurd.
When the National Guard was called out to patrol our borders (here in Arizona, we had Guard troops assisting the BP for a few months) they couldn’t arrest any illegals coming in – will these troops have the authority to make arrests?
Will these troops operate under Martial Law? If so all Chicagoans can kiss their civil liberties goodbye. Under Martial Law, the military can set curfews, detain people without probable cause and they search people and vehicles without probable cause.
The libs had a hissy fit when Arizona passed SB1070, claiming it would authorize the police to “ask for your papers.” This is exactly the sort of thing that happens under Martial Law.
My God, this is crazy.
Hill60 on February 22, 2013 at 7:02 PM
Of course the national guard could. The question is whether it should and that question is answered by answering the question whether everything else has been tried.
And the answer to that is no, because the city hasn’t tried letting people exercise their 2nd amendment rights and arm themselves. Until that is tried, then the national guard should not be brought in.
Dusty on February 22, 2013 at 7:04 PM
… and Chicagoans will see this as different from what they have now, how?
AZfederalist on February 22, 2013 at 7:06 PM
^^
I think the Sheeple are in for a big surprise!
Hill60 on February 22, 2013 at 7:14 PM